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OUTLAWS: DC SNIPERS - 04/08/2026

Display stream descriptionThe stream is a long-form discussion between Rebecca Hargraves and Devon Stack about the 2002 Beltway (DC) sniper attacks carried out by John Allen Muhammad and Lee Boyd Malvo. They walk through the timeline of murders before and during the DC-area spree, describing victims, locations, and law-enforcement missteps, especially the fixation on a white suspect in a white van. Using period news clips, they critique media coverage, FBI profiling, and the performance of Montgomery County Police Chief Charles Moose. The hosts also explore Muhammad’s background, his grooming of Malvo, the pair’s methods and demands, and the eventual capture. The conversation widens into commentary on race, crime statistics, illegal immigration, media propaganda, parenting strategies for inoculating children against propaganda, and broader questions about social breakdown, lynch mobs, and white in‑group cohesion.
Full Summary
Intro
00:03:39 You are watching Outlaws with Rebecca Hargraves and Devon Stack.
Devon Stack
00:03:49 Oh, look, my thing's missing. I'm invisible.
Rebecca Hargraves
00:03:56 This is outlaws. I am. Rebecca Hargraves, this is Devon Stack dealing with a technical issue.
Devon Stack
00:04:01 I'm back. There we go.
Rebecca Hargraves
00:04:03 But it's okay, because he has AIDS. He's actually dying of AIDS right now.
Devon Stack
00:04:07 I am dying of AIDS. I have Jew AIDS, and it's quite powerful, as you can imagine
Rebecca Hargraves
00:04:15 I like to irritate Devon by calling him. And when I called him yesterday to talk about nothing, he was, like, puking for like, five days. Like, what? He's like, Yeah, I don't know what's going on. It's fine. I'm probably dying. It's I was like, we can cancel the show or, like, do it at a lady. Oh, it's okay. I've been poisoned. It was me. I poisoned you. So I can take over the show. That's right, I'm just joking. What a nightmare that would be like right before we went live. He's like, I feel terrible. You're gonna have to be point man on this. Just set me up and all. I'll make some jokes like, why are you just telling me this now? Otherwise, how are you doing?
Devon Stack
00:04:56 Devon, yeah, aside from the the. The Jew aids. I'm doing all right, I guess. How are things over in your neck of the woods?
Rebecca Hargraves
00:05:07 Oh, good. I just got back from Iowa, which is a, I know some of our audience is from Iowa. It is a nothing state, and that state shouldn't exist. I swear I would rather live in Mississippi. It's a piece of shit state. I hate everything about it. I have to go there because my brother lives there. Pella is really nice. It's like a beautiful Dutch town, but Iowa, it's like being in Purgatory. There's nothing there. There's no it's just nothing. It's the great nothingness, and everybody is so fucking fat.
Devon Stack
00:05:38 What's the, what's the big I'm trying to I don't think I've even been to Iowa. What's the big city in Iowa? Des Moines? Yeah, I don't think I've. I maybe have, maybe in an airport, maybe once, but wow, you've
Rebecca Hargraves
00:05:50 never been to Des Moines. You have to go to no Des Moines sucks. Iowa sucks. And everyone's fat and everyone's fat. Yeah, tons of trannies, really, yeah. Why so many trains? I don't know. We went to this place
Devon Stack
00:06:07 called, like, a white place. Well, it's,
Rebecca Hargraves
00:06:11 yeah, but it's like, people, people in middle America, I think, got hit really hard with all the Jew nonsense. They're They're super fat. A lot of them are addicted to opiates. And then the tranny thing, especially in Des Moines, like I went to this place called Zombie burger the last time I was there, and in Des Moines, and in that restaurant, I saw four trannies.
Devon Stack
00:06:34 Wow, I kind of feel like a lot of white trash people went with the tranny thing. Because, if you because I think it's people that were destined to be pedos anyway, so, like, all these, like, weird, creepy guys that would have just been, you know, Hey, kid, get in my van. I mean, they just turned into trannies. I mean, because there's way out here where I'm at, there was, there's a tranny that keeps getting, must keep getting fired from jobs, because I keep seeing him at different places.
Rebecca Hargraves
00:07:05 Why, if you were a tranny, why would you be like, I want to, I want to live in the desert. Why wouldn't you move to literally any American city to be with people of your kind? I don't
Devon Stack
00:07:17 know, but this is the same training. And he's like, it like, every like, I'll go, I'll go to, like, this place, and be like, Oh, I'll never go in here again, because I don't want this thing touching my food. And then, like, a month later, he's somewhere else because, like, he, well, probably because he was touching people's food, and everyone else had that same thought. So why
Rebecca Hargraves
00:07:35 would you even hire a trainee? Why would you hire a trainee? I don't know.
Devon Stack
00:07:38 I wonder if it's, you know, people are afraid, like people used to be afraid of getting all and probably still are of getting sued by by nigs and whatnot, you know, like, oh, gotta hire the flamboyantly gay guy or we're gonna have a lawsuit on our hands. You know, that kind of kind of thing.
Rebecca Hargraves
00:07:56 Oh, I just deleted my YouTube chat. Okay, can you intro the story we're talking about while I fix this. Sorry guys. Intro, the story about about trannies involved in this story.
Devon Stack
00:08:09 Well, I guess we're going to be talking about the DC sniper case, something that we haven't covered. I haven't covered on insomnia stream. However, I did. Used to live in the area where it took place, not not while it was taking place. I went there afterwards, but I knew a lot of people who had lived there during that time, and it kind of left a mark.
00:08:32 It kind of left a mark, because for a little while, in and around our nation's capital, the people that most of whom work in some capacity for the federal government, lived in fear. They lived in fear of just being randomly shot in the head when filling up their gas tank, when walking out of the grocery store with a bag of groceries, they didn't know what you know, there was no rhyme or reason to it. People were just getting randomly shot in public, and it took a long time before they could figure out who was doing it.
Rebecca Hargraves
00:09:15 Too long. We'll talk about that in a little bit, right? But yeah, I was talking to my mom about it, and she's like, oh yeah. People were people were freaking out all across all across the country, because they didn't know if it was just isolated to the DC area. And I saw some video footage of people at gas stations putting tarps all over the gas station so that the sniper couldn't get a good shot. But apparently they gripped the entire country, and people were not going to the grocery store, or they were parking right outside the front of the grocery store and running in.
Devon Stack
00:09:46 Well, this was, you got to remember, too, this was post 911 hysteria, where everyone thought that al Qaeda was, was, you know, was slinking around, you know, just getting ready to. Suicide bomb, something or another. And the government was kind of leaning into this stuff too, obviously, because they wanted us to support wars in the Middle East. You had the like the anthrax types, you know, things going in the mail, which would later turn out to be coming from, you know, FBI labs, you had, you know, you had lots of stuff like that going on where people were in constant fear. I mean, 911 really did a number on people.
00:10:30 Just generally, you have an American public that had been living safe. I mean, during two world wars, you know, and during Vietnam and during Korea, like we'd involved ourselves in so many of these wars with these high casualties, but never had it really anything happening here at home. In fact, you know, nothing really has happened in the United States since, like, what the Civil War? Maybe, right? So anytime that there was something that that really, that changed that, which, I guess you could say the War on Terror change that it really made Americans feel unsafe for the first time. So when you had something like this going on, yeah, it made everyone, everyone unnerved, and everyone freaked out, until they found out, of course, that it was just, it was just black people, that
Rebecca Hargraves
00:11:25 he was Muslim, though,
Devon Stack
00:11:27 well, he converted to being Muslim, yeah, but, but he, it was just, he was just black. It's really what? Because he wasn't, he wasn't, like, motivated by, by being Muslim, although, I mean, I'm sure that, you know, help things, but
Rebecca Hargraves
00:11:43 he was really intonation
Devon Stack
00:11:45 of Islam though, yeah, well, and those guys hate white people probably more than the average black guy. But, I mean, you know, just, just because you, you take it from eight to 11. I mean, you know, I mean, is it really right? But, yeah, and then anyway, so I guess we were gonna try to, or when we're time before the show, somebody like, you know, we could tell, like, slowly reveal it, but I think that everyone pretty much knows it's black guy and his little illegal immigrant, or at least at the time.
00:12:19 I don't know what his dentist was when he was arrested, but he was an illegal immigrant from Jamaica, so why don't we instead go into what? What triggered this? Because it actually started. In fact, the killing started way before they started sniping people in the DC area, yeah, and so what? What do you think started this nig on his journey of death?
Rebecca Hargraves
00:12:48 Well, first he was in a bitter custody dispute because he perceived that he had been screwed by family courts. But what had actually happened was that he had kidnapped the child that he had with his first wife, and she went to family courts, and he lost custody of this child. So he goes well. He has this little protege, this little boy that he picked up in Antigua when he was 14. And of course, this, this kid was fatherless and dealing with, you know, an absentee father. And his mother was a single mother who was unreliable, she was abusive, and so he just really locked on to this older figure, last name Muhammad, John Muhammad.
00:13:32 So John Muhammad immediately sees that he is a vulnerable boy, and he's like, this is perfect for my accomplice. And he gets the boy eventually, after a few years of arms training, meets when they're 14. I believe this is when he's 16. This is in Tacoma, Washington. He goes to the house of a friend of his ex wife, his first wife, and the this this wife was convincing him, or maybe it was a second wife who he had two children with. He she was convincing him to seek a divorce because they had an abusive marriage. So the younger guy, the the apprentice, goes to the front door, and her cousin answers this 21 year old, and he just shoots her between the eyes. She has a baby in the house that's left on the changing table. And the police were like, even though, obviously, in an investigation today, this wasn't that long ago, though. I mean, I feel like they really should have figured this out right away.
00:14:33 This is the first killing, right? And they aren't like, oh, who has a grievance with this woman? And it would have led directly to him. Even if they talked to the second wife, she'd be like, yeah, it was him. He had already threatened to kill her by that point, but they just did, like, a really shitty investigation of this. And the the other woman in the house, the one that was friends with with Mildred, his second wife. Found her, Was it her cousin, her her niece, something like that, found her just dead at the front door. He just murdered her in cold blood. So that was the first murder. And what I what I read about it, was that it was like a, like a gang initiation. He wanted to see if he could get this kid to kill somebody, which, of course, he did
Devon Stack
00:15:20 well, and that's, that's what they do, you know, they blood you in gangs do it. Military Special Forces type organizations do it. It is to, you know, pop, pop your cherry, to get, you know, once, because once you've done it, you know that it's no longer like this, Ooh, big, scary thing. The Israelis kind of go a different way with it, where they make you raise a kitten and then kill it.
00:15:46 You know, that's a little little more psycho. But a lot of these organizations and gangs and, you know, the mafia will have you go blast someone, sometimes at random, to prove that she'll do it and, and oftentimes, you know, hold on to the murder weapon so that they have some kind of leverage over you. Yeah? So, yeah, he did that. And my, you know, it's funny. You say that, you know, why didn't they? They look at him, I almost wonder if it's a case where, you know, blacks get shot in the face all the time, and they're like, yeah. They're just like, another yet, another one, you know, and yeah, and they just, you know, they're so backed up with it. They're just like, whatever, probably.
Rebecca Hargraves
00:16:33 But it wasn't like a drive by shooting. She was shot point blank after opening her front door, and there was a baby inside, yeah? Like, you think that there would be some kind of investigation. I mean, if they would have done this properly, the subsequent people wouldn't have been murdered. A lot of them were white, too. So yeah, like, what's the plan here? Anyway, they continue to go on a mounting killing spree. The next one's in Tucson, and it's just a guy, Jerry Taylor, he's 60, he's just, he's just practicing chips on the golf course, and he gets shot and killed, died from a single gunshot fire long range.
00:17:13 And that actually was never tied to them. They did not know that this was them until Malvo, the younger one, confessed. Then they get somebody in Louisiana in a parking lot, a white guy, after he stopped to deal with the slashed tire. I think that they probably slashed it. And then they get somebody in another white guy in Clinton, Maryland. They actually robbed this guy, which is why the police did not investigate this. They stole $3,000 a laptop, and then this was used to fund a better arsenal and some other things so that they could actually start the the real rampage, which happened a few weeks later.
00:17:51 They shot somebody in Silver Spring, Maryland, outside of beer and wine store. And that was that was a random shooting, supposedly. So. This was 18 days before the the series of murders happened in DC, and then they shot some people outside of another liquor store in Maryland. Let's see what else? What else we got? We got Claudine Parker shot during a robbery, Kelly Adams shot during a liquor store attack and somebody in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. So it was all over the place. The police forces were were not connecting these, which I don't know why they would have. Some of them are robberies, some of them were just random shootings, but that first one really should have tipped them off.
Devon Stack
00:18:38 Right now, you mentioned that they got the $3,000 and people might think that's not a lot of money, but yeah, I wanted to. I'm like, All right, inflation calculator, even though 2002 doesn't sound like a long time ago. Yeah, I'm kind of just out of curiosity. I want to know how bad
Rebecca Hargraves
00:18:54 it is. What is it? How bad? How bad is it?
Devon Stack
00:18:57 Let's see here. It's, yeah, it's pretty bad. So $3,000 in 2002 is $5,500 today.
Rebecca Hargraves
00:19:04 I mean, that's definitely enough to get things going.
Devon Stack
00:19:09 Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, that basically was, was was funding them, and things were just cheaper back then too. Plus they were kind of living, living out of their car. So yeah and, and, from what I understand as part of his strict training as a sniper killer, they only ate once a day, and they ate it was something like honey and crackers.
Rebecca Hargraves
00:19:35 Crackers, yeah, yeah. So it was more it was easier for the body digest carbs and sweets, and if you only ate once a day, that that was better for them. And they were doing all this tactical training, and he they were working out a lot. So yeah, it was like, and then he was making the kid. He wasn't really a kid. He was 16 at this point, but play super violent sniper video games. Was all the time and re watch the matrix over and over to desensitize him for violence. I was thinking like, you're trying to desensitize somebody for from violence.
00:20:08 Why would you watch the matrix? Right? It's not a particularly violent movie, but apparently that he thought that that was going to be the way, the way to get him and then trying to Red Pill. Him, yeah, really. And then they call this the first shooting from the DC snipers, the beltway snipers. This was James Martin. He was a program analyst. He was shot in the back while walking across the parking lot in after grocery shopping. And the ballistics later linked us to the investigation. And this was on October 2 and October 3.
00:20:44 This is when the real rampage began. And after the October 3, they can no longer deny that these were linked shootings. I mean, I think, I think all five of these happened within a 27 hour period. Yes. Yeah, yeah. So somebody mowing the lawn, then we've got, this is all the same day, somebody pumping gas in Maryland. These are all in Maryland, somebody shopping, somebody vacuuming her van at a gas station, and somebody just walking in the street in DC. So they were, they were moving towards the DC area, and at this point, cops, everybody was freaking out, because these were suburban areas. These were white areas where there were not any black people, there was not a measurable level of crime. I think I heard that their murder rate in these areas had increased by 100% in a single day, right? So at this point they were like, Yeah, this is something crazy.
Devon Stack
00:21:41 These were, like, the suburbs outside of DC, where if you were, like I said, if you were a government contractor, or if you were a federal employee, this was where you lived, and then you commuted into the city, or there was, there's also, like, a lot of contractors, and, you know, federal buildings in and around DC too, like NIH is out near rockville, and there's a bunch of buildings around there.
Rebecca Hargraves
00:22:10 Yeah, yeah, we have a news blurb.
Devon Stack
00:22:12 I think now this is from Rockville, Maryland, a place I once stomped around in let's see here. Here we go
Reporter Lady
00:22:24 back here live in rockville. The man who was gunned down here around 741 this morning was gunned down right behind the Fitzgerald Auto Mall. He was cutting this small strip of grass over here when he was shot. It's not a lot of grass to cut. And Sonny Buchanan was not just some guy who mows lawns. Dottie Fitzgerald, who's president of the Fitzgerald Auto Mall, says Sonny owned a landscape design company based in Rockville, but really lived in Blacksburg, Virginia.
Dottie Fitzgerald - Auto Mall President
00:22:54 You know, he made a commitment to us to do this this year. He's really moved from here, and we found out that he was driving up here on the weekends in the middle of the night and sleep in the truck for an hour or so until daylight and then cut the grass. Now, you know, a lot of people would have said to you, I'm real sorry, I've moved and you're going to need to get somebody else up. But when that man gave you his commitment, he kept it,
Reporter Lady
00:23:20 and she says he was a dedicated civil servant who gave back to the community. He was once on the board of the montgomery county Boys and Girls Club and the board of crime solvers. He was
Dottie Fitzgerald - Auto Mall President
00:23:30 just a good human being. He did so much with the kids in this county, with the crime solvers and with the Boys and Girls Club. He taught them so much about I'm sorry.
Resident
00:23:45 It's ironic that he was killed basically a block away from where he gave so much of his time selling Christmas trees for the kids. We miss him. The calls are coming in, the parents are on the phone crying. I mean literally. Sonny was like a staff person there, but he was a volunteer
Reporter Lady
00:24:03 Fitzgerald employees initially thought Buchanan was injured in some kind of lawn mowing accident, but quickly learned he'd been shot somebody tried unsuccessfully to administer CPR.
Al Briggs
00:24:14 Really knows right now, you don't know if it's an act of terrorism or if it's just somebody that's some nut out there running around shooting people. So this is kind of scary.
Devon Stack
00:24:22 So yeah, that shows you how low the crime rate was when they first saw him lying down by the lawnmower, they thought the lawnmower had, like, exploded or something and somehow hurt him. And so, in fact, the initial 911 calls into 911 there's the guy says, Yeah, I think his lawnmower did something to hurt him. They're like, what? And then they by, I mean, you know, he bled out pretty quick. By the time they, they got in the hospital, he was already, already dead. So that was Sonny Buchanan, who was the first person shot in the morning of. Of October 3, 2002 but then, as you said, the the killing spree went on from there at eight o'clock.
00:25:09 So this was, well, this was 741 he's killed in Rockville, off of Rockville Pike, and then by 812 at a mobile gas station at aspen hill road in Maryland, there was a Prem Kumar while a car was shot, and then at a just a, you know, 20 minutes later, at a leisure world shopping center in Norbeck, Maryland, Sarah Ramos was shot, and then just a little over an hour later, Lori Ann Louise Rivera was at, was vacuuming out her van at a Shell station, and then she was shot. And then just a little bit after that, or it looks like at the order wrong. I guess before that was Pascal Charlotte was shot at a or was just walking in Washington, DC. So they ping, they ping ponged around through Maryland and Virginia and DC that just around the beltway and, well, they were, they were shooting people. So here's another news report that kind of explains like they're trying to deal with this, trying to figure, well, what the hell is going on here?
Reporter Lady
00:26:37 The five deadly shootings happened in a matter of hours and in the same general area, montgomery county police have set up a command center at the scene of the third murder in aspen hill. Our team coverage continues from there with Fox five's Bob Barnard, Bob Well Tracy.
Bob Barnard - Fox 5 Reporter
00:26:51 Montgomery county police chief Charles moose says the killer is a very skilled shooter who started his rampage around 520 last night, shooting out the store window of a business just about a half mile from here. It's the only one of the six shootings that didn't end in bloodshed and death. The unprecedented murder spree began last night in Wheaton, the victim, a 55 year old man shot dead walking into the shopper's food warehouse on randolph road, the murder captured on a surveillance camera 13 hours later at Rockville Pike in Nicholson lane, a landscaper is shot and killed. It's 7:41am half an hour later, a cabbie is shot dead at this mobile gas station on Connecticut Avenue at aspen hill road.
Gas Station Attendant
00:27:34 Just a loud noise and he's laying in the parking lot
Bob Barnard - Fox 5 Reporter
00:27:37 bleeding to death. A nurse fueling her minivan next to the taxi cab rushes to the victim's side. He will not survive.
Gas Station Attendant
00:27:44 It started over there, went over there, and the guy's laying on the ground, blood all over the side of the van. He's laying on the ground gasping for air, and the ladies, she's standing there shaking. She was trying to help him.
Bob Barnard - Fox 5 Reporter
00:27:55 25 minutes later, a little more than a mile away, at leisure world, a woman is murdered while sitting on a park bench in front of a post office. A witness to this shooting tells police he saw two men flee in a white delivery truck, unbelievably, while the montgomery county police chief and Deputy State's Attorney arrive at the gas station in aspen hill, the killer targets another woman at a Shell gas station on Connecticut Avenue in Kensington, Paramedics rushed to the scene but cannot save the woman's life. It's always
Steve Steinberg - Jewish Firefighter
00:28:25 shocked when you when you get a call like that at any at any point, shut up. Steve good, when it's right here in your own backyard.
Charles Moose - Police Chief
00:28:31 Investigators say they're all but certain the same gunmen are responsible for all five murders.
00:28:37 We strongly feel that all of these are connected. I just want to say the
Devon Stack
00:28:40 weirdest part about all this is that there's a Jewish firefighter,
Rebecca Hargraves
00:28:46 you know? Oh, yeah, isn't it a
Devon Stack
00:28:48 little bit weird Jewish I saw that. I was like, I don't believe it now that now there is a conspiracy. Yeah, this, this all seems real. I know
00:28:59 it's all made up.
Bob Barnard - Fox 5 Reporter
00:28:59 Haters say they're all but certain the same gunmen are responsible for all five murders.
Charles Moose - Police Chief
00:29:05 We strongly feel that all of these are connected. Certainly, the weaponry seems to be very similar. Not a lot of evidence. There's no indication at this point that these individuals know each other. There's no indication that any of these individuals
Devon Stack
00:29:21 had and this fucking guy know each other
Rebecca Hargraves
00:29:24 entry and know each other.
Devon Stack
00:29:27 Yeah, like, this is, this is dei in action. This is the, this is the guy in charge of the investigation, of tracking down the killers.
Rebecca Hargraves
00:29:40 So, yeah, it's no wonder they thought he was white.
Devon Stack
00:29:43 Yeah. Well, yeah, kind of conflict with anyone.
Bob Barnard - Fox 5 Reporter
00:29:47 The search for the killers, an all out effort all across the region.
Nancy Demme - Police Capt.
00:29:51 We have called in other resources. We have members of Secret Service, FBI, Maryland, state police, George's County, they are actually up. With their helicopter. Members of Maryland Metropolitan Police Department and the State's Attorney's Office is actually here with us as well.
Devon Stack
00:30:09 So, yeah, it was an all hands on deck kind of an operation given the, you know, the very powerful and important people that that live in that area, and obviously, the severity of the crime, all those people being killed in such a short period of time. And to be honest, I bet the even the the Feds were wondering, is this something bigger than just some psycho you know, like, are they target? Like they had to find out, like, is there a connection between these people. You know, are any of these people, federal employees? What's going on here exactly?
Rebecca Hargraves
00:30:47 Yeah, and there was no connection between these people. He was getting people of all ages, races there. None of them knew each other. It was from that day. They knew that this was that these were totally unrelated sniper killings, right?
Devon Stack
00:31:05 So then go ahead, I was gonna say, so that was, that's the third that was that aired on October 3, and then the next day, October 4.
Rebecca Hargraves
00:31:18 Yeah, he gets Carolyn seawell. She's shot at 230 in a parking lot at a Virginia Mall. Then I ran brown he we
Devon Stack
00:31:29 got a clip from that. So this was, this is from the fourth, October, 4. And they're at this point there they have, this is moose, Captain moose, or chief moose. That's really his name. So chief moose, his the wheels are turning. He's like, I'm starting to think these
Reporter Lady
00:31:50 are all connected now to Chief Charles moose announcing that there is, in fact, a link between the Fredericksburg case and the cases the daytime, the DC case, that is, and the cases in montgomery county, let's listen.
Charles Moose - Police Chief
00:32:03 Certainly again that is very disturbing. Gives us a wider window to work with a high risk degree of recklessness by these suspect or suspects. But again, we will work closely with MPD. We will maintain the lead on these situations, but again, very blessed to have the expertise that MPD brings to this situation, and are very comfortable with that relationship.
Devon Stack
00:32:39 I we're gonna get him.
Rebecca Hargraves
00:32:43 She I think they would have caught him a lot earlier if it wasn't for this police chief.
Devon Stack
00:32:49 Yeah, well, we'll tell you why here in a moment too. Because it's not like they make it seem like, you look at the coverage and it's like, oh, they slipped away again, the sneaky fucks. And what you don't know is, in the background, they're actually trying to call the cops and talk to them. And they were getting like, hung up on and
Rebecca Hargraves
00:33:15 they were Yeah, and there was a tip that came through from Muhammad's friend where he called the tip line. Was like, I am really sure that this is this guy that I know, John Muhammad, and that tip just got lost. Yeah, did you hear the audio of them calling the cops?
Devon Stack
00:33:32 No, I don't think I have that. So Volvo
Rebecca Hargraves
00:33:35 calls the cops, and it calls the Maryland Police Department. He's like, this is the sniper. And they're like, that's not really our department. Can you hang up and call the DC police? And he's like, What? Phone and that's it. And that was around this time. This was before a lot of the fatalities, too, yeah, incredible police incompetence.
Devon Stack
00:33:58 So you have, you know that they've, you know, Captain moose is putting it together. And then we have the next shooting. So this was the fourth, I
Rebecca Hargraves
00:34:08 guess, no, it was three days later. This was the seventh.
Devon Stack
00:34:12 But, I mean, this, what we just played, is the fourth. And then on the seventh, we have Iran Brown, and this is the first time a child was shot. This was gonna play that you're just sitting there, like, I'm gonna play with my hair. I know, right?
Rebecca Hargraves
00:34:41 He actually came out, and there was a news report that said that, like they're not targeting children, so children are probably safe going to school. And that's when they decided to target this middle school, just to let everybody know that kids are not safe. So they shot this kid, I think, believe he was 13, and he does survive. If, but I think it went through his spleen and his liver. It really fucked him up. Yeah, it did
Devon Stack
00:35:05 like a Charlie Kirk maneuver inside him after it hit him. This is a news report from then. We have
Reporter Lady
00:35:10 breaking news right now, if you've been with us and you know, hundreds of police are looking for a sharp shooter who has struck again his latest victim, a 13 year old boy, is in critical condition, fighting for his life, and here is where it all started. Kids at Benjamin Tasker Middle School in Bowie, Maryland, were ushered inside this morning after that boy was shot just moments after he had been dropped off, police spread out, going door to door, trying to find any possible witnesses. Today's shooting and its young victim are touching people in a brand new way, even bringing a police chief to tears,
Charles Moose - Police Chief
00:35:46 shooting a kid, shooting a kid, to be really, really personal.
Reporter Lady
00:35:52 Now that ain't cool. Today's school shooting has now been linked with ballistics to the six shootings in montgomery county, the one killing in DC and the shooting of a woman in Fredericksburg, Virginia, we have team coverage this evening, beginning with Fox five's. Bob Barnard, live at Benjamin Tasker Middle School, where it all began.
Bob Barnard - Fox 5 Reporter
00:36:11 Bob Tracy, you get the sense that Chief moose knew before, before all we did, that, that the killer was here again, his last two victims, the seventh and eighth victim surviving his shots, but he took the weekend off and came to school on a Monday morning. He was here. We've got videotape to show you of the chaos outside Benjamin Tasker Middle School this morning. The shots fired. The shot fired at 809, this morning. There was utter chaos here, because you had parents coming to the school wanting to get their kids out.
00:36:40 Many did take him out throughout the day, and they didn't know. They suspected that perhaps this was the work of the same sniper killer, but they did not know until just now. School went on, not as usual, but they kept all the students in their same first period classrooms throughout the day. Not a whole lot of work was done. What happened with the student was he was being dropped off here by his aunt.
00:37:02 Just after eight o'clock this morning. He got out of the car. The aunt apparently started to drive off. Heard a gunshot, and turned around and saw her gun. Her her nephew leaning over. She got out of the car, and he was able to tell her that he believed he had been shot. She then put him in her car. She, being a nurse, drove him to Bowie Health Center, and from there, he was then airlifted to Children's Hospital.
Devon Stack
00:37:28 So that was that case, that one of the things I found funny about this was there was this, one of these news reports tried to bring race into it, even though, like, the shooter's black, the kid was black, but and the way they tried to do it was, they said, Well, he he was a black kid, and the only reason why his auntie Corsica is would definitely wouldn't be his dad, and where's his mom? Who knows that was taking him to school in the first place was he was kicked off the bus for doing nothing at all. He a good boy, and he was just trying.
00:38:05 He was just eating candy on the bus. And they can't, I'm sure. I'm like, Yeah, I'm sure I remember. I remember all the kids when I was in school getting kicked off the bus for eating candy. Yeah, you know, like, unless candy is, like, shorthand for cocaine, like, I'm pretty sure that wasn't the problem. So there's this report that, like, Oh, if they hadn't kicked him off the bus, he would have been saved. I'm like, Well, okay, let's just say you're right. Some other kid would have just been blasted. So why does it matter? You know they were gonna shoot someone. They just picked him, but that kid should have learned his lesson next time. Don't get kicked off the fucking bus for being a nig.
Rebecca Hargraves
00:38:43 Yeah, seriously, I wonder what he was doing. It's probably groping people.
Devon Stack
00:38:47 Yeah, weed probably trying to harass white girls. And, yeah, you never know. You never know. All right, so then you had that going on. Then, of course, the news was, was filled wall to wall with, like, is, this was bit this is, this was big time for for the news industry, this is a big story. So you had, like, all these speculative stories that would just amp up the fear, quite frankly, in the community, being like, Yeah, that's right. We don't have any more more news on the sniper. So instead, we're going to talk about what the sniper probably does when he's looking for a victim.
Matt Ackland - Reporter
00:39:26 Authorities believe the sniper is using a high powered rifle that could target a victim more than 100 yards away. Wow, what a bunch of super slew far away that victim could be. But authorities say you must remember, this is an open field. The sniper is probably sitting inside a car. He could be anywhere in the event of another shooting, and you should be close by, authorities say you probably will not see someone running down the street holding a rifle. You'll never see him. Rifles can actually be broken down into small pieces and slipped into small bags. He could be in his backpack. The sniper can get away without being noticed.
Rebecca Hargraves
00:40:04 That's right. Suspect everyone. Well, he just, he just said that they were probably in a car. Why would they be walking around with a gun, then with an in a backpack?
Devon Stack
00:40:15 But that this was the kind of news like wall to wall coverage of just like also snipers really hate babies. So if you got a baby, you better watch out, because we've got this simulation on what happens when a baby is hit with a high powered rifle. Go ahead, set up the baby made of the ballistic gel, and just blast the fucking baby. You see that baby just go, you know, totally vaporized, that could be your baby.
Rebecca Hargraves
00:40:44 These people so much in the meantime, these guys are just running around indiscriminately, killing people in the investigation is just shit. Yeah, somebody even brought up a
Devon Stack
00:40:54 racial angle, and they're like, well, and as you said, they thought it was white people. Because they're like, how are these, these experts, getting away with it? There's no way with Captain moose on the task that they'd be able to just slip away so easily every time that they do one of these shootings.
Rebecca Hargraves
00:41:12 Right? Also, they could, they could tell that there was a high degree of competence. So they just assumed. FBI profilers just assumed that it was a man in his late 30s or early 40s, and that he was white. And at some point somebody had called in a white van tip.
Devon Stack
00:41:29 And we'll get to that in a second, because that actually does have another racial element to it, but we'll play. We'll get that a minute, okay, but yeah, so yeah, this continued, and we had a couple days later. So that was the the seventh was the last shooting. The ninth you had. Dean Harold Myers was shot at 818, at night while pumping gas at the Sunoco station. And that was in near Manassas Virginia. So here's a news report about that. Let's make that a little bit bigger.
Tracey Neale - Anchorwoman
00:42:17 A week ago tonight, the shooting spree began, and seven days later, the callous killer may have claimed his ninth victim. Right now, police are on the scene of a deadly shooting with eerie similarities to the others. A man was shot dead tonight while pumping gas just outside Manassas Virginia. It's located in Prince William County, Fox five.
00:42:35 Sherry Lee is live with more Sherry at this point. What can you tell us?
Sherry Lee- Reporter
00:42:38 Well, Tracy, police are keeping us away from the crime scene. Right now we are just about a half a mile away. The shooting actually happened just across 66 from us on 234
00:42:49 and right now we're told that there is a lockdown. Many people are in businesses and restaurants in the area. They are locked inside as police and FBI agents go through there trying to question people about what they saw and what they might have heard. Of course, the big question on everybody's minds tonight is this shooting connected to the other shootings throughout the Washington Metro area?
00:43:10 This shooting happening at a Sunoco gas station on suddenly road just south of 66 Police say a man was pumping gas just after eight o'clock tonight when he was shot. I spoke to one witness, who said she was outside in the parking lot when she heard what she thought was a car backfiring. Within minutes, she said she saw police arrive and realized that what she had heard was a gunshot. Now that witness reported a single gunshot, but police at this point are not confirming how many shots were actually fired.
00:43:39 There is a large police presence here. They have closed off southbound 234, suddenly, road around the crime scene. Montgomery county task force members are on the scene looking for any connection to the other shootings ATF. Agents are also here, and they obviously will be looking at the ballistics right now. They are interviewing possible witnesses, some who apparently reported seeing a white van leaving the gas station,
Devon Stack
00:44:03 a white van leaving the gas station. Now that wouldn't be the only report of the white van. We'll give the other report of the white van later, but yeah, they were looking for not the right vehicle, not the right people. They were ignoring the phone calls from the snipers as they were calling in to make demands, which were ridiculous, which we'll get into in a little bit here, and the murders continued.
Rebecca Hargraves
00:44:32 Yeah, and I think it was around this point they were doing all of these stops on random vehicles they had, they had checkpoints, and they actually pulled over John Muhammad and Malvo in their blue Chevy Caprice, and they were like, Oh, nope, it's two black guys, and it's not a white van. So they let them go. They just let them go. They didn't invest and then I think that at that point in time, they had a. The weapon and everything in the back, if they would have looked. And also, at this point in time, they had a they had drilled out some kind of hole, a car hole, to shoot from. And so if they would have searched that car, they if they just
Devon Stack
00:45:15 opened the trunk, because they had got they had gutted the whole trunk, and they had made it like an easy flap, so that you could roll from being inside the trunk, you can just roll into the back seat. And so, Lord, so they just opened the trunk. It would have been so obvious. And then they had cut a hole in the back of the car so that you could hold, pull, push the gun. And it was, it wasn't like that, like, un obvious of a hole it was, when I saw the photos of it, it was, like, a pretty obvious slot that you would buy the where the license plate is. They would put the gun at it. So, yeah, if the cops had looked at it at all, but instead, they're like, you guys,
Rebecca Hargraves
00:45:55 I know, right? They're like, Oh, it's fine. You're black. There's no way you could achieve this degree of competence in shooting, because you're black, right? And all serial killers are black or white. That the myth of the serial killers being white. That's really what allowed this to go on for so long. When he was buying the car, it was a used car, the Caprice he was talking to the salesman. He's like, let me, let me see that trunk. So he opened the trunk, and then he gets into the back of the trunk, and then he's like, gets out of the back of the trunk and shuts it. And he's like, this will be fine. And then he buys the car.
Devon Stack
00:46:27 It'd be funny if he like, got in the trunk. And then he goes, like, makes pew sounds like, yeah, this, this. This seems about, right, yeah, really.
Rebecca Hargraves
00:46:36 Like, how the how the hell did nobody put two and two together and allowed this to continue exactly.
Devon Stack
00:46:44 So this was, let's see here, where we at. This was the two days later, the ninth. So here's, there's next we have Kenneth bridges. KENNETH Bridges was shot at 9:30am on October 11, while pumping gas at an Exxon off i 95 in the spots Albania County near Fredericksburg, Virginia. So we've got a little news report about that. Well, look, see now you can tell that now they're starting to make custom graphics for the story, serial sniper team coverage, Fox five. Tune in tonight for the serial sniper story.
Rebecca Hargraves
00:47:29 Serial sniper No wonder people were freaking out.
Reporter Lady
00:47:36 930 Friday morning, another shooting, another gas station, another innocent victim dead, a father of six from Philadelphia, he has stopped at this Exxon gas station in Spotsylvania County to fill his tank,
Howard Smith - Police Major
00:47:48 obviously, with a uniformed Trooper directly across the street. Obviously, we're dealing with an individual that's extremely violent and obviously doesn't care, and someone
Reporter Lady
00:47:58 extremely brazen. Police don't know if this shooting is connected to the other sniper attacks, but this one happened just 50 yards from a state police officer investigating an accident, police say he did not see anything, but some witnesses did, they describe a white van with a ladder top leaving the area shortly after the shooting. Some say a woman was behind the wheel. We're not
Howard Smith - Police Major
00:48:21 certain if that van had anything to do with the shooting, but we do have a description of the people that were inside the van searching for evidence.
Reporter Lady
00:48:28 Roads were closed, nearby businesses too. At times, marshals went door to door, Looking for witnesses who may have seen something. I was
Joseph Drennen - Bystander
00:48:37 just absolutely horrified. Am horrified at what's happened here. This is something that has obviously put all of us here in the Washington Metropolitan Area on edge. No shrub,
Reporter Lady
00:48:50 no stone was left unturned. Police set up a large perimeter, calling in helicopters and bloodhounds.
Howard Smith - Police Major
00:48:57 We do have evidence. The evidence that we have has been collected. It's been turned over to
00:49:00 ATF
Reporter Lady
00:49:01 hours after the shooting, the fear, the uncertainty, the tension remains high. It's like
Jerry Overby - Bystander
00:49:07 living with terrorists. You know, you know, you never know when the next, next one is going to hit.
Devon Stack
00:49:13 It's frightening, but that's really what it was. Is everyone was like, you know, post 911 living in fear we're going to be shot randomly for pumping gas. And it just continued from there.
Rebecca Hargraves
00:49:28 Yeah, then he gave people, well, a little break, few days keep keep them on their toes, and he shot this woman, Linda Franklin, in the parking lot of a Home Depot in Falls Church, Virginia. I don't know very much about the DC area, but it seemed like he was hitting all of the all of the suburbs surrounding the city. Yeah. Okay, so he didn't do any inner city shootings, no.
Devon Stack
00:49:54 Well, there was one, the first that that first the super murder day. I think he got one in DC. Okay, and but for the most part, it was all Virginia and Maryland outside the belt like, around the beltway, the beltway is there's basically like a freeway that drives around DC, because DC is it's, it's not like an island, but it kind of is. And on one side you have Maryland, like on the north side, you have Maryland, and then on the south side you have Virginia. And so there's this big road that everyone commuting into the city has to drive on. It's called the beltway. And then all along the beltway is like all these little suburbs where people live.
00:50:34 And so that's where they were hitting up. But they were also, he also traveled outside that zone a few times. The shitty thing about this one, Linda Franklin, here is she was actually, she just, she had just beat cancer, and they had just bought a house. She and her husband, they were going to be moving into the house like the next day, and so they were at Home Depot, just getting some supplies. She is. They open the back of the the truck so she or SUV, so she can put something in it. She gets sniped, and half her head is blown away. Like, just imagine you're you're with your wife, and you're like, here, all right, honey. And then just like, boom, half her head's gone. And John
Rebecca Hargraves
00:51:19 Muhammad, or it was Malvo later stated that it was the husband that was the actual mark, and at the last minute, he changed his mind, right? So this is the story from that.
Reporter Lady
00:51:31 Linda Franklin was the mother of two grown children and a courageous fighter. She had recently battled breast cancer, undergoing a double mastectomy eight months ago, she won that fight only to be taken by a sniper's bullet.
Bill Murray - Family Spokesman
00:51:43 Linda was a loving wife and mother who watched out for everyone in her family, and her loss will affect everyone.
Reporter Lady
00:51:49 It's a loss that hits home to the law enforcement community too. Franklin worked for the FBI as a civilian intelligence operation specialist fighting cyber crimes.
Bill Murray - Family Spokesman
00:51:59 Linda's family is shocked by the senseless loss of life, and is calling on anyone with any information
Devon Stack
00:52:04 about well, in 2002 that means that she was probably going after Nigerian scammers and child porn, but I don't know about FBI. Well, she probably just had a cubicle. Well, while the men around her went after Nigerian scammers, and it
Rebecca Hargraves
00:52:23 was a better time. It was a better time
Bill Murray - Family Spokesman
00:52:25 contact law enforcement the FBI, Fairfax County, whomever
Reporter Lady
00:52:29 friends say, Franklin was at the Home Depot with her husband, Ted Monday night, buying supplies for a move this Friday to a new house. Now the Arlington apartment the couple was leaving is a place where friends gather to grieve and shock neighbors, struggle to make sense of the senseless.
Jennifer Doughtery - Neighbor
00:52:44 I burst into tears. I mean, I just it's too close. Oh, it definitely was.
Carolyn Yanavich - Neighbor
00:52:49 It definitely hit home. Actually, after we found out it was our neighbor, just hearing that it was down the street at Home
Reporter Lady
00:52:54 Depot was shocking. And at the Home Depot, candles and flowers now rest where Franklin was gunned down a makeshift memorial for another innocent victim of the serial sniper.
Devon Stack
00:53:07 All right now this is where you've already heard that they've been saying, Oh, it's a van. So this guy here, Matthew dowdy, says he for sure, saw the shooter getting into a white van and and this became like, oh well, this confirms everything we've been hearing about white vans and stuff.
00:53:29 And he's like, oh yeah. I was like, a Middle Eastern guy, and I saw him get in the van. And they ran with this, and that's what they started looking for. Turns out he made it all up because he wanted to be on TV. So, yeah, it's like, how many different ways are black people going to fuck us over in this story? That's yet another one.
Rebecca Hargraves
00:53:56 Well, they should have, they should have scrutinized this position, because they had already released all over the news that it was a white van. So anybody could go in and say, like, yeah, totally right.
Devon Stack
00:54:07 So that just that, just unfortunately, it confirmed their bias that, like, Oh, it's a white van. Look this. This totally honest looking black guy told us that he saw the white van fleeing the scene. So, yeah, that was the the 14th, and then on the 19th, we had some more cases.
Rebecca Hargraves
00:54:30 Yeah, this is Jeffrey hopper. He was shot and wounded 8pm outside of a Ponderosa Steakhouse in Ashland, Virginia.
Devon Stack
00:54:40 And this was actually kind of, it's funny, because we'll play the the clip here, but this was a, like, a very white part of the area. As you might have noticed so far, there's a lot of diversity in this area, mostly because I don't know what like when I first moved out there, I. Just like, What the fuck is this place? Like, this is our nation's capital. Are you serious? Like, like, you go to the mall and it's like, no one's speaking English.
00:55:07 There's, it's just like, little, little mini groups, like, you go through, like, the food court, for example, in the mall, and it's like, oh, there's like, a table of just Chinese people and a table of just Indian people, and a table of just like, like, it wasn't like diversity, you know, melting pot. It was like all these foreigners living in my country's capital and their own little, you know, cliques, and then that's how that whole area is. And in fact, I think two of the people that got shot were Haitian, like, refugees or some stupid shit like that. Oh, really, yeah, just by by the Yeah, obviously nobody was Yeah. That's kind of makes up for some of it, but, but that's
Rebecca Hargraves
00:55:50 where they just shot. Or were they killed? One of them,
Devon Stack
00:55:55 for sure, was killed. Oh, so, so a
Rebecca Hargraves
00:55:57 little bit easier to
Devon Stack
00:55:59 and maybe the other one, but that just goes to show you a random sampling of people they're shooting. Two of them end up being like, Haitian refugees or whatever, and but that's, that's how DC is, is all these people, and a lot of black people, after the Civil War, they were like, I'm gonna go. I want to go live in the big house with Mr. Lincoln, and so that they all fucking Seriously, that's what they did. So they all fucking moved up to DC and fucking ruined, ruin that fucking town. Like, there's that town so horrible. So I've
Rebecca Hargraves
00:56:35 heard bad things. I haven't been there since I was a child, but I remember hating it.
Devon Stack
00:56:38 It's horrific. It is horrific. And like, look, there's some super rich people. There's, like, really nice neighborhoods, but it's like, you know, you throw a rock, you're gonna hit like, like a violent criminal, even if you're in one of those neighborhoods, if you have a good arm. So it's, yeah, that whole area has like, like, all the government employees, including, you know, Mr. Moose, right? Captain moose here, all the, all the, a lot of the law enforcement is black. Everyone that runs the DC metro, like everyone is black. You go into a post office, everyone's black.
00:57:14 Any kind of government job, if you have to interact with any kind of bureaucratic anything, they're all black because that's, you know, they can't get, like, a real job, and so the Feds were giving them, you know, just like the, oh, sure, yeah, you can have this job where you, you do something that a machine should be doing, and just stand here and stamp tickets for like, $60,000 a year, or, You know, what have you. So there's, there's a lot of these people there. There's also, obviously, you can imagine, a lot of these refugees will, will show up in DC for the for the exact same psychological reasons, like, I want to go live with Mr. Lincoln in the big house.
00:57:57 Same exact thing, you know, they're gonna, oh, I'm gonna go live with, you know, Mr. Clinton. I want to live by Mr. Clinton. He's, he plays the saxophone. And so they end up in in DC, just fucking making the place a nightmare. So that's why there's so much diversity there. But this, this particular area, was very white, and so everyone's very it's kind of funny. When they're interviewing them, they're like, Ah, it's really weird. Like they don't say it, but they're Yeah, they're basically implying, like, Yeah, we didn't think there'd be anyone getting shot here because of well, you know,
Reporter Lady
00:58:32 it's a headline. People who live around here never thought they'd see Ashland shooting, but this is the reality setting in one day after a man was shot as he left this restaurant.
Jim Gibson - Resident
00:58:43 It's a very small, conservative town, like
Devon Stack
00:58:47 that's code for white, yeah, really. So very conservative town.
Reporter Lady
00:58:53 Most of the other shooting sites, Ashland, Virginia, is located off a major interstate. The town is mostly made up of the travelers. But unlike the other places, it's a small, close knit community of about 6000 people.
Visitor
00:59:05 We come up to Ashland real
Reporter Lady
00:59:06 often to eat and shop in the stores and because it's convenient and far removed from the hustle of a big city and many
Devon Stack
00:59:13 and far removed from the hustle of the big city. In other words, black people,
00:59:17 they bought. Big city crime,
00:59:19 big city crime. Black people.
Vistor's wife
00:59:20 Crime, black people, until now, and we just thought, Oh, it'll never happen. Down where we live,
Reporter Lady
00:59:26 a shooting at a surprise bitch, popular town Steakhouse. On any other day, the lots around the restaurants and other eateries would be full and businesses bustling. Now, these favorite stops for i 95 travelers are largely empty customers, replaced by a crush of media claims reporting on this
Resident 1
00:59:45 latest shooting. It's quite a scene.
resident 2
00:59:46 I mean, it's to be expected, I guess it's really been surprising the breath of this Sniper's where he's going and what he's doing,
Reporter Lady
00:59:55 but as concern
00:59:56 and fear begins to take hold in Ashland for some. The shooting is having
Steve Steinberg - Jewish Firefighter
01:00:00 another effect.
Gas Station Attendant
01:00:01 Well, it seems to affect it in a positive way, because smokers are nervous people, and they're coming in, get more cigarettes.
Devon Stack
01:00:08 Well, at least they're
Reporter Lady
01:00:09 selling more cigarettes. Like, I really lost the human toll. Yeah, this guy's like, what? On the bright side, we're really selling cigarettes. They're flying off the shelves
Rebecca Hargraves
01:00:24 outside to smoke them. You got to smoke them in your house. They're very
Devon Stack
01:00:27 nervous people, you know, these smokers, and with all, with all this, anything that heightens anxiety in the public really makes a business good.
Rebecca Hargraves
01:00:35 So, yeah, really explode more babies on TV so I can sell more cigarettes, we
Devon Stack
01:00:41 can kind of thrive on this terror that's going on. So they start closing schools also, because, you know, they up until that moment, a lot of Virginia thought maybe they were kind of immune to some of this. So Richmond, Virginia starts shutting down all their schools, which affects, like, I think, over 100,000 students. So, I mean, it was, like a serious thing. They didn't want kids getting shot at school. And it became, like this kind of a big deal, and then it hits the net, yeah, at this point. I mean, it was already kind of national news, but at this point now it's like the top story on the evening news every night.
Dan Rather
01:01:25 Tonight's headlines, police finally reveal a specific sniper warning.
Charles Moose - Police Chief
01:01:30 Your children are not safe anywhere. Well, that's good, good.
Devon Stack
01:01:37 Oh, let's, let's, let's go to moose. Moose. What's the situation with the with the sniper thing? Well, I'll tell you, your children
Charles Moose - Police Chief
01:01:45 are not safe anywhere at any time
Devon Stack
01:01:49 another Oh, that's good. Good to have a handle on it.
Dan Rather
01:01:52 Most other massive dragnet fails as another person is shot dead, Also tonight, the case against Martha Stewart may cost her more than you think
Devon Stack
01:02:05 that's nice, and Martha Stewart is going to jail.
Rebecca Hargraves
01:02:09 They totally railroaded her.
Devon Stack
01:02:11 Well, it's funny that the shit that she went to jail for basically every member of Congress is like guilty times a bajillion
Rebecca Hargraves
01:02:18 compared to Nancy Pelosi. She did nothing, right, nothing. Compared to Nancy Pelosi compared
Devon Stack
01:02:25 to the entire Trump family, yeah, absolutely fucking nothing, yeah, yeah, all those people should, should basically be hung in the public square, compared to what she did. So, yeah. So it's like, this big story, and people are like, Oh my God, what's going on. We got Martha Stewart going to jail, and we got this. Your children aren't safe anymore.
Dan Rather
01:02:46 Good evening. Among the new facts in the serial sniper case, there is this with millions of people already living in fear, the situation just got a lot more frightening. Oh, good secret for three days, the police admitted today they have received a specific warning, presumably from the killer about children. Here are more of the latest facts. The police now acknowledge that part of the three day old message is, quote, your children are not safe anywhere. At any time you'll recall the sniper has already wounded one school child. The police also say they've received another newer message, and will respond soon. All this comes as another person was shot dead today in Montgomery County, Maryland.
Devon Stack
01:03:30 Now what they don't tell you is the note that that warned the police that your kids are not safe was Scrabble or scribbled on a piece of paper they found near where they think the sniper was shooting people from, I forget which, which crime scene, and they said that the the English and and handwriting was so bad that clearly it must have been some super smart white guy trying to trick them into Thinking it was some dumb nig, because there's no possible way anyone that that wrote like this would actually be the one doing it.
Rebecca Hargraves
01:04:09 Yeah, I know it's just, they just, they just totally turned their mind off to any other possibilities, and it allowed all of these other people to be killed. And I do think that a lot of it has to do with this, this myth of the white serial killer. I mean, this is in 2002 but everybody thinks about Gary Ridgway. And Gary Ridgeway was around this time, wasn't he? And then Bundy, and they just think that if you have a high level of competence in shooting, or if you are able to plan crimes, that you can't possibly be a black person. But black people are amongst the most prolific serial killers. Didn't Sam little kill like 50 to 90 prostitutes or something. Yeah, yeah.
01:04:49 It can be like higher than that. They don't
01:04:50 even know. No one even no one
01:04:52 even talks about him. And if you, if you consider that a serial killer is somebody that has killed three or more people. I. Mean, how many gang bangers are serial killers? Most serial killers are probably black.
Devon Stack
01:05:06 Yeah, no. And not, not only just like the traditional kind of serial killers, there's the the abortion doctor guy, what's his name, Kermit gronnell or something like that, that had, like, the when they raided his place, he had, like, refrigerators full of dead fetuses and all this other weird shit. Do you remember that guy? That case was like, I forget the game anyway. Like, this is the kind of, like, if you count him, because he was illegally aborting, like, late time, like, just abortions, like, we're talking like, fully formed baby extraction. Gosno, yeah, that's the guy, and it's in the hundreds that what that guy was doing, and he was literally just storing like dead babies, like in boxes and in coolers and shit like that.
Rebecca Hargraves
01:05:50 He ran a prescription pill mill. Also that's how I got caught. That's good.
Reporter Lady
01:05:58 The sounds and sights of a massive manhunt jarred the suburban Washington community awake again. There was every sign that the sniper who began his deadly spree in this same neighborhood had returned this time, the victim was a bus driver running through a checklist as he started his day. Today's attack took place almost 100 miles from the last killing link to the sniper a man walking to his car Saturday night after dining at a Ponderosa steak house in Ashland, Virginia, but it is within walking distance of some of the first crime scenes in Maryland's Montgomery County, where the deadly spree of Sniper murders began 20 days ago, once again, today, the shooting took place near woods. Within minutes, all traffic around the shooting scene was halted a five mile radius that included early morning commuters along the busy Capital Beltway. Armed officers stopped all cars, not just white vans or trucks. It was after the Saturday shooting that A call came in, which launched what appears to be a flurry of communication between the killer and police, the caller, a man, sent police to a tree in the woods behind the restaurant. A three page note was tacked to the tree. Sources say it was poorly written with bad grammar and spelling man's money and made that general threat against the safety of children.
Devon Stack
01:07:17 Yes, I like how they didn't even find the note. He had to, like, call him and tell him where to and tell him where to
Rebecca Hargraves
01:07:23 go get it. Lord, and they use is that this was a wide spanning murder, but murder spree, but it wasn't that wide spanning. I mean, they didn't even know at this time that he had been on the other side of the country or been in the south. So it was, you know, why weren't these people communicating? It was 2002 not 1922 right? They had the internet.
Devon Stack
01:07:46 They had the internet, they had cell phones. They had the ability to it. Looked at a lot of cooperation, because it's post 911 so they had a ton of money that was sent to all these law enforcement agencies in response to 911 and all these initiatives to, you know, make sure, especially in these, these kinds of cases where they thought maybe it was terrorism or whatever they should have had access to, like, the, the highest level of, you know, technology and, and all you know, expertise, but, but then again, you know, it's funny, because, like, they find, they find the letter, it's poorly written, and then this, listen to this guy,
Dan Rather
01:08:27 have the police picked up any other clues from the letter?
Jim Stewart - CBS Reporter
01:08:30 If they
01:08:30 have, they aren't saying. We do know that when they found the letter where the sniper said it would be, forensics experts took an extremely long time to check the scene for other possible clues, like fingerprints and fibers. They took so long, in fact, that by the time authorities actually read the letter itself, they discovered they were already behind the sniper's deadline to reply. It seems as if they've been trying ever since to get back in sync with the sniper schedule. Dan, it's like,
Devon Stack
01:08:54 he tells you where to get the letter, and they're like, All right, we'll go get it. And then they don't even read it first. They're just like, All right, guys, let's lock down the area.
Rebecca Hargraves
01:09:03 Wait, you're telling me that they just immediately before reading it, sent it to forensics and then found out later, yeah, they didn't even
Devon Stack
01:09:11 read, oh no. They didn't even get, I don't even they took it down from the tree. I think they they spent so much time locking down the area and combing through that by that time, they actually read the letter that was on the tree that they were told to go look at. It was like, it was like they were an hour past when they were supposed to respond to the sniper guy. So yeah, and then, of course, he makes the same observation about it, you know, being written by a retard.
Jim Stewart - CBS Reporter
01:09:37 The FBI has assembled virtually its entire behavioral science profiling unit to work on the case. They're closely studying the language in the letter the grammar is so bad, there's even some suspicion that English may not be the first language of the suspect. Investigators admit, however, that the sniper may be just trying to trick them into thinking exactly that. Dan, no,
Rebecca Hargraves
01:09:57 he's just a dumb black guy. Come on, guys. Guys do they are over analyzing the hell out of this case.
Devon Stack
01:10:04 Yeah. So, yeah, they thought it was, you know, secret white guy that was super competent. You also had the issue I found when I was looking at these clips. Illegal Immigration has been a problem in this fucking country for so long. And they've always, you know, they always use this excuse. This is when they were trying to normalize. They've been trying to normal because, you know, white people have never wanted illegal immigration. And they try to characterize the problems that arise because of illegal immigration as an opportunity to frame it as and that's why we should just give them all amnesty, you know, like, oh, there's a problem with illegal immigrants. Then maybe, maybe they shouldn't be illegal immigrants. Then that will solve the problem.
Rebecca Hargraves
01:10:50 Stop committing crime. Well, it's like, people in our ranks committing crime. It's it,
Devon Stack
01:10:55 but it's, it's like, when it's like, saying, Oh, we have a murder problem, then maybe we should just legalize murder. Then there won't be any problem anymore, like that's really what it is. And so in this instance, they're complaining because in DC, it's not just all these randos from around the world. There are a ton of illegal immigrants in the DC area. And so they bring
Bob Barnard - Fox 5 Reporter
01:11:15 that up. Police also say they want to hear from witnesses who may have information about Tuesday morning shooting, but are afraid to come forward because they may be in the country illegally.
Charles Moose - Police Chief
01:11:25 Montgomery county police officers do not have any authority or authorization to enforce immigration laws, and we want to talk to them about this crime,
Devon Stack
01:11:37 this crime, yeah. So they try to frame it like, oh, look, this investigation is being held up because of all you assholes that want to get rid of the immigrants and moose is like, Don't worry, illegals, we are not going to kick you out for being in the country illegally. Yeah, you just have to tell us about the super secret white guys that are killing everybody
Rebecca Hargraves
01:11:58 in the meantime, it's an illegal immigrant perpetrator,
Devon Stack
01:12:03 right, right? And, and then they this was kind of funny. You had mentioned this and we were researching the show that one of their demands about the money,
Rebecca Hargraves
01:12:15 yeah, so these, these dumb, black eyes. They're like, how can we get this ransom money that we won, they're like, We should tell them to put it on a credit card. I don't know how, how that would protect them from anything. I can't even get inside their their minds why they thought this was a good idea, because any credit can you even put $10 million on a credit card? No, and all of their subsequent transactions would be tracked. Yeah. So it's like the dumbest plan possible. And they say in the ransom note, this was poorly written ransom note, that we want $10 million so that we can open a school for disabled black boys in Canada.
Devon Stack
01:12:56 Like, what? That's the level of sophistication
Rebecca Hargraves
01:13:01 that we're dealing with all because one of them was a competent, well, they were both pretty competent shooters, right?
Devon Stack
01:13:08 Well, yeah, real hard to do point and click, right? Yeah. This is him talking about like the cops were just kind of like
Bob Barnard - Fox 5 Reporter
01:13:15 now we're learning more this afternoon about what the killer has apparently requested of police in the letter that was found at one of the murder scenes, Fox News is reporting that the killer asked the police, in fact, demanded the police electronically, electronically transfer $10 million to a credit card account that the killer provided police with a credit card number and a pin number, but the credit card came Back stolen, and so police either will not or cannot do what the killer has asked them to do. And Tracy Fox News is also reporting that the killer says is, if his demands are not met, police will need body bags. And that's a
01:13:55 quote back to you. Oh, chilling, isn't it?
Devon Stack
01:13:57 Bob, chilling. Super chilling. Thanks, Bob. What an
Rebecca Hargraves
01:14:01 idiot that should have tipped him off that it was a black guy, no basic knowledge of finance, like, come on, yeah.
Devon Stack
01:14:08 Just, just send $10 million to my here's my pin number, yeah, to my stolen credit card, and the magic money will happen from the white people money system, yeah. So they eventually figure out who it is. As you mentioned, they had they, shockingly, they had pulled someone over and found them and whatnot and all this other nonsense, though they should have figured out a long time ago, but they finally figured out by the 23rd who they are. And this is a the news report when once they know who they are, they they know that now that they're not in a white van, they're not white people. And they put out this news report on October 23 sniper.
Brian Bolter - Anchorman
01:15:00 Sir, want to recap our top story right now, major developments in the search for the serial sniper. Police Chief Charles moose gave us a name and a picture. Moose warned that the 42 year old man is wanted for material information only at this point. In addition, there's a 17 year old who's on the list of people police desperately want to talk to and we have a new car to be on the lookout for. But this isn't something A witness saw. This car came from the hard work of the sniper Task Force. Will Thomas, he's live in rockville with more on these major developments. Well, I don't want to put you on the spot, but maybe we can start a little bit with that quote that was so important to the sniper to hear from the mouth of Chief Charles moose tonight.
Will Thomas - Reporter
01:15:39 Right? So many new developments, we're going to take you through it step by step. Why don't we begin with that cryptic message? Now, as we've seen the last several days, Chief moose has used the airways to communicate with the person believed to be the sniper. Law enforcement sources tell us this so called sniper, this serial killer, has attempted to call authority several times and didn't get through. And so there does seem to be some type of phone tag happening. So the chief, once again, went before the cameras and urged this person to try again, to call or to write them. Let's listen to the chief himself to hear this message. Take a look.
Charles Moose - Police Chief
01:16:16 We understand that you communicated with us by calling several different locations. Our inability to talk has been a concern for us as it has been for you. You have indicated that you want us to do and say certain things you asked us to say. Quote, we have caught the sniper like a duck in a noose. End. Quote, hearing us say this is important to you.
Devon Stack
01:16:46 Well, in the African American community, getting caught like a duck in a noose, it has a lot of importance because it's, I don't know.
Charles Moose - Police Chief
01:16:56 However we want you to know how difficult it has been to understand what you want, because you have chosen to use only notes, indirect messages and calls to other jurisdictions,
Devon Stack
01:17:11 other other jurisdictions. So yeah. So they put that out there and they show pictures. Now they finally have photos of the suspects and the description of the car. Of course, the picture they use was wrong color, but I guess they didn't have enough Photoshop time to make it in the right color, as well as the license plate and a white truck driver, Guy is at a truck stop when He spots the car at the rest stop, and he sees two nigs sleeping inside the truck or in the car. And so he gets his truck and he blocks off the exit to the rest stop so they can't get out, and he calls it in, and they finally get them into custody when they bring the SWAT team in, a lot
Brian Bolter - Anchorman
01:18:08 has happened in just the past 24 hours as the sniper manhood literally went nationwide. Force phone tip from someone claiming responsibility for the sniper killings and a September shooting in Alabama,
Reporter Lady
01:18:22 so investigators headed to Montgomery, where they recovered a fingerprint from the shooting scene a neighborhood liquor store. That fingerprint belonged to 17 year old Lee Malvo. Now, detectives
Brian Bolter - Anchorman
01:18:33 quickly traced Malvo to a home in Tacoma, Washington, where he had lived with 41 year old John Allen Muhammad. Investigators carefully searched the home early last night to removing a tree stump with bullet fragments in it,
Reporter Lady
01:18:46 the result a midnight news conference. Montgomery county police releasing a picture, a picture of a wanted man, John Allen Muhammad, as well as a description of a car. A citizen
Brian Bolter - Anchorman
01:18:57 spotted that car at a rest stop in myersville, Maryland, just 60 minutes later, inside Mohammed and Malvo, an emergency response team took him into custody without incident. We have team
Reporter Lady
01:19:09 coverage tonight from one coast to the other. We begin with Fox five's Bob Barnard live at police headquarters in rockville. What a day.
Bob Barnard - Fox 5 Reporter
01:19:15 Bob, incredible day. Tracy. We're still waiting to hear from chiefs. Chief moose, in fact, anything publicly about this morning's arrest? Police are obviously waiting for test results to come back on the rifle that was found in the car that the father and step son were in to see whether, if the test on that rifle matches with all the different sniper attacks under police escort and hidden inside this white trailer, the car from which a three week long killing spree may have been plotted and carried out inside the blue 1990 Chevy Caprice, police and federal agents recovered a Bushmaster rifle that fires 223 rounds, and also seized a scope and tripod. Time. To Easter day, witnessed the search. They were
Witness
01:20:02 taking each thing out of the car, and somebody was cataloging it. One of the boxes was a real long box, like I'm not saying a gun came in it, but it looked like a box
Bob Barnard - Fox 5 Reporter
01:20:13 that you buy a gun in. Arrested without incident around three o'clock this morning, 42 year old John Allen Muhammad, also known as John Allen Williams and his 17 year old stepson, Lee Malvo, the pair found sleeping inside their car by a motorist who stopped at this i 70 rest stop west of Frederick, just an hour after Mohammed Malvo and their car were identified by police. What do you think of the fact that this may be over?
Rosemary Ratjczak - Boomer Tourist
01:20:38 I hope it is. I really do.
Devon Stack
01:20:41 I like how they found, like, some Boomer tourist, she's got, like, the America t shirt on, she's just like, well, golly, I'm just so happy to be in on nation's capital, where they're capturing these black snappers. You know,
Rosemary Ratjczak - Boomer Tourist
01:20:54 I really hope for people's peace of mind the rest stop
01:21:00 just outside myersville and the parking
Devon Stack
01:21:03 spot, I actually felt bad, like, when I lived in DC, I always felt bad for these people, because I'd be walking around, like, going to work, and I'm like, dodging like, the fifth homeless guy that's screaming at me at the top of his lungs, trying not to step in his pile of shit, like literal human shit that's on The sidewalk while some black guy is getting stabbed outside of McDonald's and, like, you know, while some other black guy is, like, with headphones on and doing a Michael Jackson impersonation, while, you know, grabbing at the purses of everyone who walks by. And you'd see, like, this woman here who'd never been to DC in her life, you know, her whole life.
01:21:40 This was, like, you know, very patriotic. She's somewhere from, like, the Midwest, and she shows up expecting to see like, the, you know, the Jefferson Memorial and the Washington Monument, and like the the reflecting pool and and all she's ever seen of DC is, like, these images from, you know, movies where they they've kind of swept all the homeless people into the corner so they can do the, do the beauty shot or whatever. And they're just horrified as they, like, walk down the sidewalk, you know, through the noise and the chaos of DC, try not to get mugged. You know, especially when you go into, like, the the gift shops, like, where they're selling, like, bobble head George Bush, or whatever the fuck. And it's, it's just like people that don't even speak English running the register, and it's just like, fucking nonsense,
Rebecca Hargraves
01:22:27 but good. I hope it's, I hope it's a wake up call. Welcome to the nation's capital, bitch.
Devon Stack
01:22:31 Yeah, part of it feels like they're just like, it's so beautiful how all these people can come together in 111, nation.
Rebecca Hargraves
01:22:39 Probably, yeah. Then they go home and tell everybody, and you know, rural Georgia, what a wonderful
Devon Stack
01:22:45 time they had. It was one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all races.
01:22:53 Peace of mind, the rest
Bob Barnard - Fox 5 Reporter
01:22:55 stop just outside myersville and the parking space where the suspect's car was parked, an immediate tourist attraction.
Devon Stack
01:23:03 Fucking look you lose
Rebecca Hargraves
01:23:05 and she has a disposable camera.
Devon Stack
01:23:07 Yeah, with her Maryland, her Maryland, she's probably a tourist too. She's wearing a Maryland sweater. Oh, yeah. So she's like, I gotta tell I can't wait to tell Janet. Janet back at the Harris place, I saw the murdering Negroes parking space. Look at that. You can't. It's not the car is not there anymore.
01:23:28 They'd already hauled it into the back of the truck. But I swear it might just look like any old parking space, but that's where the murdering Negroes were. They had slept there, and I was there, Margaret, I was there. You weren't. You said it was stupid to go to DC. It was gonna be too cold this time of year, and you didn't want to go, but I went, and I got to see the murder parking spot. And that's like, that's like, the most exciting thing that's ever happened to her tourist attraction.
Bob Barnard - Fox 5 Reporter
01:23:53 Just had to have a look, I guess. So, drive by to see it. Maryland State Police Cadets on their hands and knees helped investigators look for other evidence at the rest stop the car with the world watching, taken to a secure location.
Devon Stack
01:24:07 I like how they just smack they see whether they're rolling it in and just, they just ram it into the corner. They're like, I bill, you got this? I got it. Very important for
01:24:20 further examination,
01:24:21 I'll just pretend that didn't happen.
Bob Barnard - Fox 5 Reporter
01:24:23 Whose names and faces we'd never seen or heard before May forever be known as two people who instilled fear in a community of more than 2,000,014 shots, 13 hits, 10 killed. Their car was spotted around one in the morning, just about an hour after Chief Chief moose hammers last night around midnight. But the men weren't taken into custody until a little after 330 and that is because after Maryland State Police came to confirm that it was their car, they put a perimeter around the rest stop. They called the task force. They mobilized. Teams. They got up there, they woke up Mohammed and Malvo and put them under arrest. Tracy, back to you.
Reporter Lady
01:25:07 All right, Bob, thanks so much. You know, we have watched as police have pulled over dozens of white vans and trucks of the past three weeks, well, for no reason. Well today, ironically, it was the driver of a white truck who spotted Mohammed's car at that who would have
Devon Stack
01:25:21 thought the whole time? He thought it was a white guy that was doing this. It was a white
Reporter Lady
01:25:25 guy that saved the day that Maryland rest stop and called police and then blocked the exit of the rest stop with his truck.
White Guy Hero
01:25:32 I'm no hero. I just don't want people to think what I did was what I should have done. I don't want no hero at this. No hero whatsoever. I don't
Devon Stack
01:25:41 want him. I'm definitely not a hero. I don't want no one thinking I'm some kind of fucking hero. Just make sure this is why you just should think I'm a hero. Just make sure that when you report this, you do not say I'm a hero, because I'm not a hero. I'm a lot of things, but I'm not a hero. I'm just a man did the right thing what a hero might have done, but not a hero, not personally. I'm not a hero. Any hero would have done the same thing I did. So yeah, they caught him and and that was that,
Rebecca Hargraves
01:26:20 I guess we should talk about why they did this. Yeah. Well, okay, so there's, there's a lot of speculation that John Muhammad did this because he wanted to create a trail of random murders so that it could end with killing his second wife, Mildred, and that he could take the $10 million to take his kids out of the country. I so much of the news coverage was like, he was such a loving and devoted father, and that's all he cared about. I'm like, okay, and a lot of the news coverage too talks about how he was in Desert Storm and that traumatized him, and he might have had brain damage from chemical exposure. It's like, can't we just admit that black people commit more crime, that they're just more criminal. Do we have to look for all these reasons? They don't
Devon Stack
01:27:04 have to go to the Middle East to get brain damage, you know, like they kind of come that way.
Rebecca Hargraves
01:27:09 Yeah, yeah, exactly. You don't have to go through the extra effort. Just racial stereotypes out the wazoo with Malvo, you know, being raised by an abusive single mother and looking to this other abusive black guys as a father figure. They even called him a stepson. That's not accurate. He was just some guy, like, like, in one school that he enrolled him and he put that he was his father, and that's where all this comes from in the news coverage.
Devon Stack
01:27:36 But that's a little weird too. Like, how did that all come together? Like, he just went to Jamaica and, like, took him home with him. Like, what I don't understand, like, that, how that worked out? Yeah, basically, I
Rebecca Hargraves
01:27:44 don't think his mother cared about him very much. And so he's, like, I'm taking, taking this kid, and by that age, he could make his own decisions.
Devon Stack
01:27:52 So yes, I know he was in the country illegally at first, at least. Yeah.
Rebecca Hargraves
01:27:59 So, so it looks like he, he claimed ownership to some degree of of Malvo, but, I mean, he was old enough that this unwitting accomplice thing, it's not really flying, but that is why he didn't get the death penalty, although John Muhammad did, and he was executed in 2009 so
Devon Stack
01:28:17 that's crazy. What state did the execution Virginia?
Rebecca Hargraves
01:28:21 Probably, I'm not sure, but I bet it had to be Virginia, because they didn't even charge him for the murders in Washington or southern states. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's see John. I will look it up now. I
Devon Stack
01:28:44 You just Virginia is the only Virginia be the only state that I would know that that would have Virginia, yeah, it was that would still do the death penalty, yeah,
Rebecca Hargraves
01:28:54 lethal injection, yeah. He maintained his innocence till the end, but Malvo. Malvo talked and admitted to all those other crimes. Good old Malvo, yeah, it's just an incredible blunder, by by so many police officers and by the police chief, it's like he couldn't read those, those letters and be like, Oh, this is, this is Ken. He's just pretending to be an illiterate black man.
Devon Stack
01:29:23 You would think that he would read it and be like, This sounds like Uncle Remus, yeah. Or maybe that's why you couldn't tell because to him, it just like, it just looked like normal writing. Yeah. Really, he's like, everyone keeps saying that this is written poorly, but I don't see what the problem is. Just looks exactly like my police reports.
Rebecca Hargraves
01:29:44 I think, to date, this, this, this was the worst mass shooting event. Yeah, how many people were killed in Columbine?
Devon Stack
01:29:54 That's good question. Well, that last thing, this was a serial Well, I don't know if it's a because the only Mass. Shooting was the day of, I guess, where they did the super shooting. And so it's, it's cumulative, but on the like, on the third, that's when they had the 12345, in one day. So, yeah.
Rebecca Hargraves
01:30:13 Well, if you combine all the murders this, this is more than than Columbine.
Devon Stack
01:30:17 Oh yeah, no, if you, especially if you combine the ones beginning with the girl or the lady they shot in the face and the first day, and all the people in between. And, yeah, so there's, there's several, several that, as you said, they never even got charged with, and, and there's, there's possibly even more, you know, how would we know? There's a lot of these cases that where you know, if they're just shooting people at random, they're, you know, who knows how many that they actually did? I don't think they were copping, you know. I don't think they were admitting to any of this stuff. So, so
Rebecca Hargraves
01:30:51 that is the story of an illegal immigrant black guy being a mass shooter, and somehow they still managed to blame it on whites. And if they had done a proper investigation with the first murder, none of these people, none of these people would have been killed,
Devon Stack
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Rebecca Hargraves
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Devon Stack
01:32:59 the desert Jew brothels. Maybe I got a breast that's what happened. I had my foreskin bitten off. And, you know, contracted, contracted the Jew age, that way. I don't know that was too far. That was too much.
Rebecca Hargraves
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Devon Stack
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Rebecca Hargraves
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Devon Stack
01:35:03 So there you go, Simbey. And then we got but thank you for the support Simbey, big supporter of Outlaws and the Insomnia Stream. Simbey's friend of the show, Simbey. Then we got really generous dono from every single time, every single time says, Thanks, Rebecca and Devon, you're two of the best doing this. Day of the rope showed up today, Devon, looking forward to reading it this weekend. Saw the news about Iryna's killer earlier. Totally unrelated, but Do either of you think will, you'll see lynch mobs in time? I don't, I don't personally think that'll ever happen. Unfortunately, I think people are too domesticated.
Rebecca Hargraves
01:35:52 Yeah, yeah. I can't. I can't tell you how many times I've talked about this. I'm a repeat storyteller. It's like I'm getting dementia. But I thought that we would until the Mollie Tibbets thing happened, and then, you know, the her dad did a whole, you know, diverse array of restaurants spiel and took up a donation for illegal immigrants at her funeral. And after that, I was like, Oh, we are fucked there. There is going to be no public lynching. But I don't know. I mean, don't you think that there's a point where, where people are like, they have to push back, although, if getting your daughter getting raped and murdered by an illegal immigrant isn't that point, I don't know what what possibly could be. So I have hope. I have hope for lynch mobs.
Devon Stack
01:36:38 There is a point I just think that it's much further from where we're at. Because if there's anything that that you should learn from watching both this show and the insomnia stream is that this this isn't new. Like white people have been subjected to the dangers of diversity for over a century, and while they're used to, you know, people used to boil over occasionally, if anything, it's gotten less as the violence has increased. And part of that is, I think, a it's people are just lazier generally. You know, they're the calories are easier to come by. People are, there's more entertainment. Yeah, I think of this way people used to be.
01:37:27 I mean, a lynching might have sound like a really fun thing to do if you hadn't done anything like entertaining for like, a week, you know, that might have been like the most interesting thing to go do. That's like getting invited to a party, you know. But if, if instead, you can just sit in your room and play video games all day and think about how much you don't like diversity, and you know, like, that's, unfortunately, that's really what, what happens is people will be perfectly happy to eat a hot pocket and be like freaking niggas, and then They, you know, they play Fortnite, or whatever, you know, and, and that's the end of it.
01:38:05 And I think that's, that's how a lot of that stuff gets channeled and look and not only it's not only that, a lot of it is too. When you had these kind of lynchings take place, it was a community effort. It was, it wasn't like today, at least in the communities I've lived in in my lifetime. My dad, we moved around a lot when I was a kid. And so, I mean, in fact, in elementary schools, it was horrendous. I almost went to like, a different school every year. And so I was having to, like, you know, I was always having to, like, learn everyone's names, all you know, from scratch and and try to create, like, some kind of sense of belonging.
01:38:45 And then, like, Oh, Dad got another job, you know? Oh, great, now we're gonna live over here. And but then I kind of followed that same tradition. I was chasing dollar signs, and I would move across. The reason I lived in rockville for a while, for example, is because I went there. I got a job in rockville. I'd never even been to Rockville, and so I was just going to and that's how a lot of people post Boomer really are have that's what they've done, because of the job opportunities being what they are, you kind of and because mass transit has made it easier and the internet's made it easier.
01:39:22 A lot of people do just they throw their resume out on, you know, well, not monster anymore, but like, you know, whatever these websites are, and they get a call from some place across the country that's going to pay them a little bit more and give them maybe a little more of a a career boost, they'll do it. And so you end up with these people who are just completely deracinated because of that.
01:39:46 You know that you're not. It's like when you had like a lynching before. It's because, to us, we're mad that arena got, got killed, and partially because we've seen video of it, and we saw a video of the black people in on that. Train. Not even like helping her out after she got stabbed, we saw a video of him saying, I got a fucking white bitch or whatever the hell he was, that he said we saw the horrific crime, but it's not we don't know her. She's a refugee, in fact, from another country, and not that. That makes it any better. But what I'm saying is, if that had been my cousin, you know, like, because I'm not out I'm not out there lynching the guy right now, either, right neither are you. But if that had been my cousin, I don't think he would have made it out of the courtroom.
01:40:33 And I think that's the difference too. Is when these crimes used to happen, it was, it would happen in these communities where the victim wasn't just like, oh, white girl on TV. It's like a girl you knew, like you went to school with it. Yeah, exactly right. Like she borrowed a pencil
Rebecca Hargraves
01:40:49 enough white unity that we see something like this happen, and we do it anyway. We should,
Devon Stack
01:40:55 but we don't. And that's the thing, is, I think it's going to take a long time to really create that, that in group preference, that is, I mean, that the lack of that in group preference is why we're in this position the first place. And so just because we happen to be the outliers with high in group preference, and we're the ones that are outraged, there's a lot of people who aren't. And you could say, you know, well, that that Mayor that wanted to take down the mural of arena like that was a Jew.
01:41:27 And it's true, but I bet there's a whole lot of white liberals that were in favor that, Oh, yeah. And so it's, it's, you don't have white people don't act like a monolith in the same way that other races do, and they won't, until all those people with bad with with low income preference, they breed out, they mix they or they get killed because they, they trust the black guy sitting behind them on the train, or, you know, whatever you know that you you end up with a a hardened these selection pressures will create a hardened high end group preference, group of whites, and because anyone that has low income preference, they won't be white in like three generations. You know what I mean, right?
Rebecca Hargraves
01:42:14 And as a necessity, comes to be the norm, and I think that we will witness that era. In our time, people are going to behave differently. They're going to behave more radically, and they'll have to establish some sort of in group preference, and I think that that will be racial I mean, I'm hopeful that things will change within our lifetime, right?
Devon Stack
01:42:33 I hope so too. I just, I don't think, I think this is the kind of thing that that you we prepare our kids for this is the kind of thing that, because a lot of it too, is as much as as behavior is genetic, we've spent a long, a lot of time talking about that. It is you also have to overcome programming to some extent. You know, obviously, I've spent a lot of time talking about the messages and movies and in commercials. Propaganda obviously has an effect, and so you have to, like think of it this way, if you raise kids that don't have to unlearn all the diversity is our strength propaganda that probably you and you and I certainly and I'm sure you Rebecca as well.
01:43:17 We grew up being told that this was like, this, this grand experiment was like, so great. And America, one of the reasons why America was the best country in the world was because of all these nigs running around. And, you know, when the opposite was true. And so I think that if you raise children that don't have to unlearn all this point, this Jew mine, poison, you're going to have people that have that are much more well equipped to make the kinds of decisions, like by selecting communities by being by joining communities, by Yes, yeah, by being part of a group that would have some kind of, you Know, resistance to this?
Rebecca Hargraves
01:44:01 Yeah, and this is an unpopular opinion, because I know a lot of people in this sphere, they're like, no media exposure for children, because they'll get propagandized. But I allow exposure for Emmeline, my five year old, and then I walk her through it. I think we talked about the AIDS commercial. Did we talk about this already? I don't think on on Amazon Prime, there's this commercial where this it's for an AIDS drug, and this bisexual black guy is like, getting the AIDS drug. So my daughter is always asking me questions about this, and so like, I tell her, like, these are minorities that engage in bad life practices and it gives them a fatal disease.
01:44:42 And then I tell her, like, why this is propaganda? So I walk her through this because you have to equip your kids to be able to recognize propaganda, because whether or not you want them to be exposed to it, they're going to be and you better be at the helm there, giving them the tools to know how to deal with it. Yes, so I will allow her to, under supervise conditions, be exposed to some propaganda, but I always point it out, and then on her own. This is a few weeks ago. She's like, Mommy, why is that black man married to that white woman? Is this propaganda? And I was like, yes, yes, I'm so proud of you.
01:45:20 But now she's developing the tools to be able to pick it up on her own, and that's very, very important. Did you ever know any people growing up, I'm sure you did, that were incredibly sheltered, like, I knew some Mormons that were like this, and then they would have like, a friggin rum Springer, once they were exposed to this stuff, and just become, like, wildly promiscuous, or whatever. Americans do it with alcohol like Europeans, I think that they're better with alcohol exposure with their kids at it from a younger age. Like, I really believe that if you can have some of these exposures in a controlled environment, that you're setting them up for adulthood to be able to deal with these things. Like, I don't think that you should, you should keep them in the dark about some of these exposures that are inevitable, right?
Devon Stack
01:46:01 I think so often. And in fact, this, this includes a lot of my relatives that were Mormon and homeschooled because they, you know, Utah Mormons, especially because they lived in a whole state that was kind of sheltered, and it created these very naive, good, wrong, really good people. And it's a shame that they couldn't keep living in a society like that. That's kind of like the goal, I guess, eventually, but you have these very naive people, not unlike that Brennan Fraser movie where he's like, locked in the bomb shelter, and then he goes out into the 90s, and it's like he's encountering, like, you know, all this degeneracy, and doesn't know how to react to it.
01:46:38 You know, there is something to be said about low dose immunity, you know, giving people a an understanding of what they're dealing with. Otherwise, as you said, they will just go crazy and but also, you don't want to go the other way with it either, where you you tell them, like irrational, stupid things, like, all black people are evil. Well, they're not, and as soon as they meet a nice black guy, right, they'll meet one nice black guy and be like, Oh, well, my parents were just evil racist. They were lying to me, and they'll go start banging black eyes.
Rebecca Hargraves
01:47:10 So exactly, exactly you. It's a it's a fine it's a fine line here. You really have to walk a tightrope as a parent and try to do the right thing, because you also don't want your kids to over correct and to not listen to anything that you say. And I think that one of the most important things for teenagers to not do that. Although my kids are young, so it's hard for me to say this is for them to have respect for their parents. And if they respect you, they'll believe you. So keeping that respect going, I think, is really important. But what do I know? My kids are five and two
Devon Stack
01:47:39 well, and I'll tell you lying to your kids well, that they'll lose respect for you real quick. Yeah, the reason I started smoking pot when I was, like, 14 was because my parents, the way they characterized smoking pot was, like, the way it was described in reefer madness. And I had friends that smoked pot, and I knew that wasn't true, so I just was like, Oh, they just don't know they're dumb, like, either they're lying to me or they're just, you know, sheltered Mormon kids that never did it. So now what? What else are they lying to me about? I guess I'm gonna try a I'll have a beer. I guess I'll have this Captain Morgan's or whatever. And so that's really what set me, oh, yeah, one of the commercials, there's a captain in you, or whatever. There's you ever drink gold
Rebecca Hargraves
01:48:24 schlager is that still? Oh, yeah, I don't know. I mean, I haven't drank in like, 15 years, but it used to be a thing.
Devon Stack
01:48:32 But, yeah, but that's my point, though. Is like we used to, I mean, because it was, it wasn't just me, it was like me and these other Mormon kids that also were like, Oh, our parents are liars, and we ended up being like, kind of hardcore partiers as a result. Whereas I think that if you mentioned the European thing, like, if, I don't think you have to, like, have wine with your with your kids, necessarily, but if that's if, I mean, I don't think, I think that a lot of Americans that were like, oh, that's crazy. It's like, no, it actually makes them. It makes it less of a taboo, you know? It makes it, makes it less of a mysterious Ooh, I'm gonna try some wine. And I think what
Rebecca Hargraves
01:49:10 parents should do, especially about weed, because it seems innocuous, is just to be like, you don't want to do this, because it's bad for the developing brain and because it makes you lazy and stupid.
Devon Stack
01:49:20 Yeah? Like, tell them, yeah, it's fun. It's fun. People wouldn't do it if it wasn't fun. But do you want to be retarded just so you can have a little fun? I'm sure. Like, huffing, you know, like, nos is fun too, or people wouldn't do it, but it'll make you a fucking retard. Yeah.
Rebecca Hargraves
01:49:37 So I got God knows what my IQ is now versus what it was before. I probably lost like six IQ points and probably a standard deviation lower because of all the weed I smoke, right? I don't even
Devon Stack
01:49:50 want to know. I don't even want to I don't
Rebecca Hargraves
01:49:51 want to know. I don't want to know. Don't think about it.
Devon Stack
01:49:53 But thank you very much. There every single time, then we have cod fish killer. I. Cod fish killer says the low IQ Option is the only one that has ever worked. The smart people always let them back in line go up to be clear, kick them out. Hold on. The low IQ Option is the only one
Rebecca Hargraves
01:50:15 that has I don't understand this. Am I low IQ?
Devon Stack
01:50:18 I don't know either. The smart people always let them back in line
Rebecca Hargraves
01:50:22 go up. Is he talking about the the over analytical nature of the leftist elite?
Devon Stack
01:50:30 I don't know. I don't know cod fish killer, Sorry, bud. Yeah, I don't know what line goes up. But yeah, I mean, look, there's, there's, I hope you're not suggesting there's not a high IQ. Way of looking at this, I think it's very high IQ to not want foreigners with a much lower IQ and just, you know, a lot of other biological differences in your midst. It doesn't make any sense. You know, like there's, there's no reason to have people like this in your society or like in the case of the, you know, the the arena case, that guy, I guess it came out today, they're saying that he's not competent to stand trial or whatever. Then we should just execute him, you know.
01:51:17 And, easy peasy, yeah, that's not a low IQ response. That's a high IQ response. What you want to I think what maybe you're worried about is midwit IQ. So that is the the people who who overestimate their ability, their intellectual abilities, because they they're smarter than some people, and so they assume because they're smarter than well, like, like people, like the the blacks that we're talking about, that makes them into some kind of turbo genius. And it's like, no, you only think you're smart because you're surrounded by Mexicans. Yeah, exactly. All right, then we got rivers of blood. Says fitting for the show theme. You should look into the life of Hannah Dustin, she was a colonial era woman who has the distinction of being the first woman on the US soil having a statue erected in her honor. Shit libs want the statue removed because she was an engine killer and only Dustin, only all mothers could be so based Hannah Dustin.
Rebecca Hargraves
01:52:24 I know a lot of people that don't It's so stupid. They're like, I don't take audience suggestions because I don't want it interfering with my method. I'm like, That's so retarded. Like, we have this pool of incredibly smart people that were like, blessed listen to us, and they have all sorts of good ideas. Like, obviously, every time, every time one of you suggests something, I put it in the show notes, and I revisit it when we're choosing topics. So please send me your suggestions. I mean, we do, we do listener topics all the time.
Devon Stack
01:52:53 You want to see a picture of this based Hannah Dustin statue.
Rebecca Hargraves
01:52:57 Is she really? Really ugly?
Devon Stack
01:52:59 No, it's actually pretty base, though. Okay, cool. All right, so this is look at that. She's got a hatchet. She's an engine killer. I feel like I have talked about her though, like I feel like this engine killer woman came up at some point in time when I was talking about the the savages, olive, not olive Oatman, but, but, yeah, that's, it's that kind of a story, though. I'll have to look into it, but, but, yeah, that's a that's
Rebecca Hargraves
01:53:32 pretty cool. That episode was peak black pill. That was such a good episode.
Devon Stack
01:53:37 The Olive Oatman one she is based or was all right, then we got close the thing here, a super generous dono, like record breakingly good, I think, from Dutch Roberts. Dutch Roberts, good evening. Devon blonde, longtime replay gang, probably 17 to 18. Ish timeframe, time, about 2017, 2018 I dig this new time slot. First time. Dono, I pirated all your music. Devon, so I figured recompense was in order. I was also a metal head, but I've come to really like some electronic and synth stuff over the years. Oh, look at that. So awesome. I appreciate that. Dutch Roberts, old school pill popper and blonde fan from the the 17 to 18.
Rebecca Hargraves
01:54:44 That's almost 10 years so long. Don't make me think about it.
Devon Stack
01:54:48 That's almost a decade.
Rebecca Hargraves
01:54:50 I consistently get along with metal heads. I don't know what it is. Maybe it's this, like, this Gen X kind of counter culture vibe. Or maybe it's just that. They were able to to not adopt the propaganda, and they're a little hardier to it. But I also like metal so
Devon Stack
01:55:08 well, I would say when I was in high school, I would ping pong between different groups. But definitely one of the core groups was the metal head, like biker types that listen to like Slayer and shit. And honestly, the weird thing, when I'm thinking about it, they were, they were politically very conservative and kind of racist. So that's maybe, that's why listen to, I didn't see, I see, they used to make fun of me because I like stuff like, like, corn, yeah. And they're like, new metal sucks, you know, and, and they would listen to, like, Slayer, and I don't even know the names, but like, the stuff that, to me, just sounded like growling, you know, with a really fast drum beat in the background.
Rebecca Hargraves
01:55:51 Oh, Slayer's awesome, though.
Devon Stack
01:55:52 And so, yeah, I never, I don't know, maybe they are. I just never got into it, like, you know, they, but they, I, yeah, I was always into the electronic stuff. And I was a little wiggery, a little bit. I used to listen, yeah, listen. Used to listen, like, with some Wu Tang shit and things like that.
Rebecca Hargraves
01:56:09 So that was all old school by the time I was in high school, yeah,
Devon Stack
01:56:15 I'm an old man. Thought I was crazy, but, uh, yeah. So yeah, metal heads are usually, usually pretty good people. And I don't think there's little maybe there are. There's probably lefty with metal heads.
Rebecca Hargraves
01:56:26 I don't know. I don't know. Yeah, I guess so
Devon Stack
01:56:30 there's, there's lefty everything, right?
Rebecca Hargraves
01:56:32 There were a lot of lefty tool fans. That is true.
Devon Stack
01:56:36 That's true. That's true. Well, thank you very much there. Dutch Roberts, although tool also would not be metal. That's like progressive, progressive metal or something. They have all these fucking sub categories and sub genres I don't even know. All right, then we got coincidence. Says the 1973 oil crisis was the result of a Jew war. Thought people should know this for context of our current situation, also, who is the leader and who is the sidekick here, either way, I am kindly requesting this small donation be distributed between you in accordance with your gender pay gap. All right, we are equals here. This is an egalitarian or that's right here at the outlaws we are. We are both outlaws. But thank you very much. There coincidence and the notes too.
Rebecca Hargraves
01:57:33 Maybe there's something there.
Devon Stack
01:57:36 So then with the with coincidences, no with the oil crisis, that's 1972 Oh, yeah, no, yeah, that definitely was Jew wars. All right, that's all the entropy ones you want to check out YouTube over there, sure.
Rebecca Hargraves
01:57:52 All right, from general grievance, new children's book. Idea for Devon, if you give a black a gun, Mr. Stack, looking good as always. Blonde, how's it going? I see what you did. There no beta bites for me today. I appreciate it. Thank you. General grievance. Righteous muffin, a big donut. We really appreciate it. Good evening to you both. Replay gang here, entropy and YouTube messed up for me. I don't know why YouTube that was my fault. Thanks for the collab. This is both. This is for both of you, because I love what you guys are doing. I'm sure this will be another great stream. Did she meet your standards yet?
01:58:26 Devon, don't answer that. If there are, like, a few people, actually, it's just, it's just really you and Cameron, that if I ever met your disapproval, it would be so upsetting to me. So just lie to me. If I am ever disappointing, you don't tell me I can't handle it. My woman brain can't handle it. My silence will speak volumes. No, thank you righteous, muffin. We really appreciate it. Troy says you make my Wednesdays so much better. So do you make our Wednesdays so much better? Troy, we appreciate it. Destined to be different. Thanks for what you do. Thanks for what you do. Thanks for what you do. By donating to this show big A I believe I've discovered what nursing home Scandal The rabbi referred to last week. Philip es form was a nursing home mogul who was sentenced to prison for Medicare fraud. Trump pardoned him. Didn't you mention that, if there was something, Trump probably pardoned him.
Devon Stack
01:59:20 Didn't you say that? Oh, no. So well, that's probably another, that's the funny thing, that's probably just another Jewish scam with nursing homes, because the clip that I played, I listened back to it, he said 40 years ago. So it's a Jewish scam that's probably 50 years old, because that clip is, like, I think about 10 years old and so Jewish, you know, Jews scamming nursing homes, I think is just like one of those things they do. So there's probably, there's probably plenty of cases, but including the one, yeah, Trump has pardoned a bunch of these people that are, are just Jewish scammers. And, oh, by the way. Did you see the thing about his? You know, we've talked about Paula white being a fucking nut case. Yeah, great stream, too. But did you see his, his former spiritual advisor? Was it worse? It's worse, how he went to jail for being a 12 year old, and they only gave him six months and he just got out what? Yeah, let me see if I might have the clip. I think I sent. I might have sent to you. Maybe I sent it somewhere else. Let me look. No, no, where did I send that? I thought I'd I sent to myself, I bet. Let's see here. Former, yeah, his name is, wait, I retweeted it so it's on my timeline. Give me a second here. But I checked it out. It's true. This is a the former spiritual advisor is. Here is let me download the let me download it. People won't be able to hear it unless I download it. Do you
Rebecca Hargraves
02:01:19 want me to read some more? Yeah, I'll get that right. Alchemist said, Devon, can you look into the death of Shoshana strook? I will put that in the show notes. Thank you for that. Maddie ice, have you guys ever heard of the Community Relations Service? It's an office underneath the DOJ. DOJ, they would have traveled to Tibbetts dad and told him what not to say. They don't have to keep notes. I've heard about this before. I don't doubt it. I don't doubt it. But you know, if your father is toeing the line after your murder, he's a piece of shit. I mean, you got to be like, I'm not saying any of this stuff, but apparently they do that after any high profile murder or act of violence committed by a minority or an illegal immigrant. Thank you so much, Maddie. I appreciate it.
Devon Stack
02:02:09 In fact, Amran has a good article on that. It's, it's very secret. So Jews during the civil rights movement created that, that part of the DOJ there and they, it's all very secret. They don't have to publish what they're doing. I don't even know if their budget is like, like, no. It's very insulated, so there's no way to look inside. People have tried doing freedom Information Act requests they get denied. But it's, it's they literally intimidate people that have that are the victims of black crime into not pointing out that they're victims of black crime. And yeah, as you said, that wouldn't stop me. You know what I mean? Like if my daughter got raped and killed by an illegal immigrant, I wouldn't just be like, Oh, well, you know, the DOJ said that it's gonna create racism, so I better not say anything about it. No, you know. And I don't even care if they threaten me. If they were like, Oh, you're gonna, you know, we'll prosecute. Because I don't know. Maybe they do stuff like that.
Rebecca Hargraves
02:03:19 I think, I think she was the only daughter. It's like your only daughter. What's the point? Avenging her death should be your only mission in life. I would go out in some sort of Pitchfork mob, Blaze of Glory, wiping out their children and ancestors and, you know, extended family members, at least. I hope that's what I would do, right? And some
Devon Stack
02:03:39 of these people just, they, you know, bend the knee. So this is the this is Trump's former spiritual advisor.
Reporter Lady
02:03:44 Trump's former spiritual advisor has been released from jail after serving just six months for molesting a 12 year old girl. Robert Morris, the 64 year old founder of Gateway Church, one of the largest mega churches in America, walked out of an Oklahoma jail just after midnight after completing the six month jail portion of his plea deal, Morris pleaded guilty last October to five counts of indecent acts with a minor. The offenses began on Christmas night in 1982 when Morris was a traveling evangelist staying at the victim's family home. Cindy clementshire says she was molested over a four and a half year period, starting when she was just 12. Morris served on Trump's evangelical advisory board during his 2016 campaign, and hosted Trump at his church in 2020 where Trump called him a great person with a great reputation. Under his plea deal, Morris received a 10 year suspended sentence, but served only six months. He must now register as an offender for life and serve nine and a half years of probation
Rebecca Hargraves
02:04:46 40 years ago. What what took so long?
Devon Stack
02:04:49 Well, I'm sure that these, you know, my guess is that's not isolated incident, but yeah, that what took so long is these people. I mean, the same thing that happened that took song with the. Epstein file. Stop a lot of that, that the the abuses that Epstein was going through, that was in the 80s and 90s, too. That was, which is almost 40 years ago, really. So, yeah, boomers were very rapey. I think, yeah, yeah, totally. I think they just were just generally raping All right, let's see here. We got on rumble. Let me back this up here.
02:05:28 We got yo Jimbo Rockford says, in regards to the moon landing hoax, the best debunking of the moon hoax bullshit wasn't a physicist but a cinematographer. He laid out the argument that it had to be real because the cinematic tech didn't exist at the time to fake it. I don't know why I hadn't thought about it from that angle, but I made a lot of sense. Yeah, it's true. The just, I mean, just the footage from the moon, just some of the real simple things, like, for example, the dust plumes behind, like the moon buggy fall with zero turbulence, zero reaction to air, because there is no air, and there's no trick you could have done to replicate that the I mean, just like anyone that knows anything about like I've done, I've been trying to simulate light with 3d animation for, I'd say, over 20 years.
02:06:23 And so I know a lot about shadows. I know a lot about specular and reflection and all these, you know, refraction, all this stuff, because I've had to simulate it on a computer for so long. And I know I've studied how it looks in the real world, so I can try to make it look real in my animation stuff. Now, no, obviously, a lot of that stuff's going to go the way of the dinosaur is we do AI more often, but it's easy to look at that footage as someone that was into special effects and realize it's not that, it's it's it's, they're they're doing like what I'm looking at is something that wasn't possible, and not because I just didn't know about the secret technology they had yet.
02:07:03 No, it still wasn't possible up until, like, for for several decades, it wouldn't be possible. They would need computer animation that was like, 40 years into the future to produce the shots that they had in the video that they had just look at the footage. Is, is, a lot of confirmation. It's not the only confirmation, but it's, it's, it's a lot of confirmation of what you need. Then we got and look, I'll probably do a full stream about moon hoax stuff coming up here. We're all dress all this stuff because, especially the with Artemis flying around right now, I'm just seeing some of the stupidest moon hoax tweets.
02:07:44 And every time I respond to one, the people will reply like, oh, obviously it's easy to knock this one down. You don't need to attack the real things. And it's like, Okay, what's the real thing? Well, the phone call. And it's like, okay, well, that's dumb too. And you go over why it's dumb, and then someone else is like, well, that's, of course, that's dumb, but what you need to know is, like, the moon rock, it was petrified wood, and you're like, Okay, well, this is actually, that's a lie from BART sobrell. This is what the real story is. Well, of course, that's dumb. And it's just like, I feel like I need to sit down do one stream where I address all of them. And because it's just, it's, it's annoying to have to convince people that think everything is fake. Now, because, you know, they overdosed on red pills that like not everything is fake, actually.
Rebecca Hargraves
02:08:32 And you got to be respectful to the audience, though. Well, as I want my mom to still love you.
Devon Stack
02:08:40 Well, I said, I try to be I only get bitchy when, like, you get, like, the flat earth attitude of like, stupid globe cook thinks gravity exists, and you're just like, god, shut the fuck up, dude. Like, when, when, when they're like, you know, confidently, stupid is when I get mad. That's the only time I get mad because, look, I questioned the moon landing myself for a little while, because, like, you hear some of this stuff, and before you have a chance to actually look into it, some of it does sound reasonable, and you're right. You shouldn't just trust the government, because they say something, and you could come up with some reasons why, maybe they'd want to fake it, but the second you start to actually peeled back the onion layers. It's like, Okay, never mind.
02:09:23 This is actually kind of awesome, what we did. And this is basically, it's like a manifestation of white power, if anything else. And yeah, I posted that. What William Luther Pierce had to say about it, who was a physicist. A lot of people forget that he was a physicist as well. And, yeah, he had a really moving take on the moon landing and what that meant for our people, and the fact that it's Nazi technology. You know, it was von Braun, was a, was a literal Nazi that that developed the rockets. Were hitting the UK during the war and and so that was it was Nazi white people technology that got us on the moon.
02:10:10 And I think there's just a lot of people who are have a knee jerk reaction to, you know, their default position is distrust of the government, which I like that. But you should also have, you know, maybe take the time to make sure that you're not. I mean, if your government says they're going to build a bridge, and then they build it, or you like, that bridge is fake. I'm not driving on that thing. It's like, well, it's, it's probably not fake. You can see it. You know, there's cars that drive it all the time, and, yeah, they don't lie about everything.
02:10:43 So now they might have lied about how much that bridge cost. And there are people they did lie about that, yeah. And people bring that up, I'll tell NASA with their infinite bumps like, Yeah, I'm sure there was just as much fraud and graft is there is in everything that the government does. It doesn't mean they didn't go to the moon. It just means it probably cost more than it had to. And there's probably a lot of people that scammed a lot of money out of it, but you know, that's gonna happen.
Rebecca Hargraves
02:11:06 Once you go flat you can't go back. Get out of my chat.
Devon Stack
02:11:09 Yeah, yeah. No, you have to go back. As in, like you're getting deported if we ever get Yeah, the flat earth people are especially dumb because, like, you know, sorry, white people ways to prove, yeah, you can, you can, you can do experiments that people were doing 3000 years ago. You have no excuse. It's just lazy. You're, you're mentally lazy, if you, if you're because here's the thing, you're so sure of yourself, you don't even bother to do the experiment that would prove that would save you from looking like an idiot. You know? Instead, you're just like, oh, I don't need to do any kind of experiments. I'm gonna call science gay
Rebecca Hargraves
02:11:44 and sympathetic to that we've been lied to. We've been lied to so much. But Flat
Devon Stack
02:11:49 Earth stuff is just and I'm sorry that's a level of stupid I can't ever get. I can't have sympathy for it, because that's the kind of thing you think about it for five minutes and do even like, you know, elementary school level experiments and that, oh, okay, I'm dumb. Well, I don't know, or I don't know, look at them. Look at the sun as it sets. Look at shadows that are cast by mountain ranges in the morning, in the in the evening. I mean, there's so many ways that, just like look at the the the 24 hour sun in Antarctica.
02:12:17 You know, they recently did, they took a bunch of Flat Earthers to Antarctica, and, of course, all these flat earthers, who are, you know, just, where's the wall, yeah, well, and they're like, oh, it's all CG, so it's all made up. You know, it's like, no, that's why they took, they spent, some guy spent 10s of 1000s of dollars to fly a bunch of you retards down there to show you and that you're still denying it, like, like everyone knew you would, yeah. So, yeah, all right. Then we got real Starfish Prime says wife and I started to watch this on Friday nights, you know, to get in the mood, I guess anywho my wife now wants to send everyone in the roof hole. Good job in corrupting her. Well, that's good to know.
Rebecca Hargraves
02:13:02 It is an incontrovertible fact that talking about the roof the roof hole leads to sex in couples 100%
Devon Stack
02:13:09 of the time, and it formulates white babies. Truth, strong. White babies are created by roof hole foreplay. All right, so we got likes to watch. Says, Keep up the great work. I appreciate that. Thank you. Then we got sorry. Supreme Rabbi Satan. We're instituting the minimum. I do appreciate that. Though we're doing the minimum. We Astralis seven to five nanometers. Says, habitual killer.
02:13:42 Negroes who have ever thought of that? I know, right, that's right. Then we got TMK 1335 says it's been a heavy dose of black pills between arenas killer being found incompetent to stand trial and the constant flirtation with nuclear obliteration. I'm thankful I've built up my tolerance over the years. A black sniper story is just what I needed to cheer me up. Endless death.
Rebecca Hargraves
02:14:12 A lot, I get a lot of criticisms for us doing a show like this, like, why aren't you talking about current events and things that are going on are so important? I know that. That's why I do the show with Cameron, called the reset on Thursdays at noon, Pacific, Standard Time, shameless plug, but um, it's it's nice to get a break sometimes to do something that has a racial angle for mostly entertainment value. I think that that provides a service. People can't be glued to current events all the time. It's bad for you. So let's reflect on these historic crimes caused by minorities to make you feel better.
Devon Stack
02:14:45 Yeah, well, plus, there's like a billion other streams that that's all they do, is they just, I'm gonna talk about what was on Twitter today, and it's like, right, why don't you just, why don't I just go on Twitter for that? Yeah, then we got but thank you very much. TMK, 1335 Right? Then we got tomo Hawk says, Never forget, diversity is our greatest strength. That is right. That is correct. Then we got jafeig says, I've been entertained by some Texans on Twitter, only now realizing how dire the demographic situation is in their state. Yeah, it's really bad. In Texas, it's really bad. Maybe they'll realize it wasn't Californians ruin it. But the Yes, but the the people, the YouTube bad words, yeah, I would say, Look, I don't understand how Texas has didn't see this coming. It is. It's less than 50% white now, isn't it? Isn't that like the latest, yep. So yeah,
02:15:43 it's, which means it's 30%
02:15:45 white, yeah, which means it's done for jafegue says, Rebecca, you don't look Botox maxed anymore. The week did you well? Devon is buying a 2010, to 2019 Corvette, ultra goy coded, What? What? Buying a 2010, to 2019 Corvette is ultra goy coated? Oh, you're asking me, Ah, I don't like the newer Corvettes.
Rebecca Hargraves
02:16:15 I like that look like penises.
Devon Stack
02:16:18 Well, they just, they just look like they just don't look they don't look classy. My I like the 60 the 60s era, like stingrays, like the the curvy, you know, Corvettes is beginning in the 80s, they started to look like ass. That's my opinions.
Rebecca Hargraves
02:16:39 Are so cute. This is a chick car, though?
Devon Stack
02:16:41 Well, Corvettes were technically the chick car. From the beginning, it was, it was a because they had the Camaro was for men, and the Corvette, you know, hence the name. They even gave it like a girly name was for women. But they made them so badass looking, I think, in like the in this, because in the 50s, they look different. In the 50s, they looked more like, like T birds, and then they almost like an MGB or something like my little, cute little, you know, convertible. But then they put, like, they dropped, like, some fucking big dick engine in it. And then, like, in the 60s, they got really cool looking. And, yeah, it's like, well, it's like, how Barbaro was, like a woman's cigarette, right? So they kind of just changed marketing in the same way.
02:17:26 But I've hated Corvette since, like, the 80s, like when they started looking like Angular and the new ones look too much like the Batmobile, like they almost look like, you know, like there's really cheap computer cases in the early 2000s that were made in China, and they will try to make them look like gaming machines by putting like all this stupid plastic and led garbage all over it. That's just how I look at Corvettes now. But you know, that's just me. I don't know if it's goy coded. It's probably overpriced. I mean, 2010 how much is one of those? I mean, 20 grand, probably at least, right, so I and it's got eat up gas.
02:18:08 You know, people worried about the new gas crisis, that's gonna eat up gas, but, uh, you know, we won't talk shit, whatever you do. You there. Jafeig, I don't think, I don't think it's like a anti white car means then we got Tom o' Hawk says there just aren't enough roof holes there. We can, we can make them see. It's really easy to make a roof hole. Every roof is a it has a hole. You just haven't uncovered it yet. All right. Then we got wander lost. Wander lost says, I like your new format. Devon, glad to meet you. Rebecca, there you go. Oh, thank you so much. Then we got unsubverted. Says, I'm so happy you two are collaborating. Keep it up. Can't wait to see what is to come?
Rebecca Hargraves
02:19:02 There you go. Yeah, it's coming along. This show. I feel good about it. I do
Devon Stack
02:19:06 too, and when I'm not riddled with Jew aids, I think it'll be even better then we got Ray flex says I'm watching on Rebecca's YouTube channel. But the donating here because or instead of Google, I assume you guys are splitting it, Dev, and I hope you are okay. Are you getting better? Seeing a doctor, honestly, about the same as I was Saturday, but so I'm not really getting better, but I'm not getting worse either. So that's good. That's a good thing, right?
Rebecca Hargraves
02:19:38 So, yeah, we are splitting it. Thank you so much, yeah, obviously not insomnia stream or my show with Cameron, but we're splitting the show.
Devon Stack
02:19:45 Then we got cage motion. Jaro says, may we make our own name, reject cope, reject conformity, reject mediocrity. Fuck it. We'll do it ourselves. Yeah, this is true. Then we got sack of possums. Sack of Possum says there's a billboard in the city near me, in only Spanish, promoting HIV prevention meds with a beaner giving fuck me eyes to the mystery, meet nig not even a border state sums up modern America. Thanks, yeah, yeah, there's, there's entire parts of of major American cities where every billboard is in Spanish now. So it is what it is. Then we got yo Jimbo Rockford says nice fucking accents.
02:20:43 Why can't you speak like me? What's that.on your head? Do you see? Or do you use it to see? These are lyrics to the classic song, speak English or die, from the seminal hardcore band, Dot. Dot. Dot. Storm Troopers of death. I actually have that CD, believe it or not. Oh, really, I have it, and it's stuck in a CD changer, no, and I'm gonna, it's long story. I have a five CD changer that's got that CD and four other CDs, and I was trying to get it to work. And I'm just gonna break it up with a hammer, I think, and take my CDs, because just I can't get the fucking word. My old boss, when I, when I lived in DC, gave it to me, and I didn't know he was based, yeah, I didn't know he was based until he's like, here, you want this? I was like, I don't know, maybe.
02:21:37 And I was like, I looked at it. Was like, Oh, this is kind of hardcore. He's from the south, though, so it makes sense. Yeah. He says, To illustrate the death of the pajit problem, the song came out in 1985 That's right. All right. Scroll, scroll, scroll, Cage mission. Jaro says the reason why space stuff is stupid is because it's morally supporting the government. I don't follow space stuff real as it is. We've got bigger problems. Our taxes support endless propaganda now, well, I would say that this to you. I would rather that those millions of dollars go to space than going to, you know, training programs, or, you know, training sex change operations in prisons or, you know, there's a lot of other like, they're going to be milking us one way or the other.
02:22:26 I don't think that because white people are going to space, even though they're sometimes bringing along their pets with them, that that's somehow a bad thing. I think that it reminds, it inspires kids to get involved in high tech endeavors and be interested in in space exploration, which eventually, I mean, that's a way ways off, that's nothing any lesser will see. You know, we're not going to be colonizing the stars anytime soon. But look, if you want to get away from the Browns that that might be one of the options. You know, we How often do you hear white people say I was born too late to explore the world, and I am born too soon to explore the stars? Well, no,
Rebecca Hargraves
02:23:10 this is an argument for scientism. Like crazy scientism, there's nothing. There's nothing out there. It's just endless, nothing. We have all these problems on earth, no, but I'm saying hubristic.
Devon Stack
02:23:22 No. I think we could create colonies out in space like again, centuries in the future. It's not going to be next week, but I think that you could, you could absolutely flee the The Untouchables, the undesirables.
Rebecca Hargraves
02:23:38 Listen, I'm not going to go live on some fucking space rock because Indians took over my country. All right, there are way more solutions to this. Well, I'll
Devon Stack
02:23:47 live on the space rock if they don't have Indians, if they've got a whites only space rock, you wouldn't live on a whites only space rock, absolutely not. I'm totally living on whites only space rock.
Rebecca Hargraves
02:23:59 No way. I'm not going anywhere, even if I plan it
Devon Stack
02:24:02 Jeets, even if it's just called space rock, and it's like, it's, that's all it is. It's just like a rock in space, like it's not even like a proper planet, just like some, you know, actual rock. I'd be like, Hold on, wait, it's whites only. I have to pee in a weird vacuum thing, whatever. Yeah, I gotta all my food is gonna come in a tube, but there's no nigs, right, okay, let's do it.
Rebecca Hargraves
02:24:31 That's crazy, crazy talk.
Devon Stack
02:24:33 I would be all about that. All right, then we got, I think that's it. Let me just double check on Entropy, yeah, we are all good on my side,
Rebecca Hargraves
02:24:49 and I think we're all good over here too.
Devon Stack
02:24:52 All right. Well, anything you want to plug or letting people let people know about.
Rebecca Hargraves
02:25:01 Sure, I am Rebecca Hargraves. You can find me on X at blondes, underscore tweets. If you are watching on Devon's rumble, you can find me on YouTube. I am at blonde in the belly of the beast. I do a show with Cameron McGregor on Thursdays at noon, Pacific Standard Time. It is a current events podcast. We will be there tomorrow. We'll be talking about Iran, about Western archetypes. It's going to be a great show. Please follow me on all of my platforms. I really need it for my ego. Please do it. Oh, and our subscribe. Star is up for outlaws. It's described star comm slash outlaws. The links to all the ways that you can support this show are in the description of my YouTube channel. Hopefully Devon is going to put this on, Robert,
Devon Stack
02:25:43 there you go. I will do that. And then, yeah, insomnia stream 10 o'clock on Saturdays, 10 o'clock PM, Pacific Time, although I there's a good chance there will not be an insomnia stream on Saturday. I was planning on doing the moon one, but I've got a big thing, big life event type thing I got to take care of this weekend, and I've got Jew, Jew aids right now. Yeah, so there's a good chance it's not going to happen. So just let you guys know now. So don't be surprised. I'll let people know on Twitter and stuff. But other than that, hope everyone has a a good rest of their week, and we've survived World war three, and we'll see you on the next episode of outlaws next Wednesday at 5pm Pacific time. Yep, and I guess that's it. Everyone. Have a good good day. Thanks, guys. Bye. Bye. Bye.