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OUTLAWS: Episode 7, The Stanford Prison Experiment - 04/15/2026

Display stream descriptionThis stream of Outlaws with Rebecca Hargraves and Devin Stack examines the Stanford Prison Experiment, arguing that it was less a rigorous scientific study and more a pre-scripted media event shaped by ideological and propagandistic aims. The hosts walk through the experiment day by day, critique its methodology and ethics, highlight how later archival evidence and participant testimony undermine the official narrative, and emphasize the role of media figures and Jewish intellectual currents in framing the study as proof that ordinary people can rapidly become sadistic oppressors. They contrast this with genetic and racial views of human behavior, discuss the experiment’s enduring influence in academia and popular culture, and finish with extended interaction with viewer hyperchats on related historical, psychological, and political topics.
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Intro
00:03:34 You are watching Outlaws with Rebecca Hargraves and Devon Stack.
Devon Stack
00:03:43 Hello!
Rebecca Hargraves
00:03:45 That was animated.
Devon Stack
00:03:47 Hello, everybody out there in TV land, welcome to another wonderful episode of Outlaws. Oh, that's how you're gonna welcome people.
Rebecca Hargraves
00:04:03 I'm sorry. You know, I got a little behind today because I engaged in some slop content following this clavicular thing. I don't know why I give a shit yet. Here I am reading about it instead of retweeting the stream. There we go. Okay, we're good guys. I am Rebecca Hargraves, this is outlaws. Welcome, welcome. Thank you for joining us. We have a hilarious stream.
Devon Stack
00:04:29 And I am, I am Devon Stack and yes, we do. Yes we do. We have a a story about a social experiment that many people have heard of, probably, I mean, it's one of those pop, pop sigh ones that you hear about. There's like a billion YouTube videos about it. It gets referenced all the time. They made a movie about it recently. Yeah, yeah. 2015, Yeah, but I mean, a lot of money put into this. The the guy who did the study has been on TV a bajillion fucking times, and, yeah, it might turn out. It might turn out that what everything you've been told about this study. Well, there might, there might be more to the story. Is all, it's all. There might be. I don't know. I've just, well,
Rebecca Hargraves
00:05:35 in general, I don't like to cover stuff that everybody else has covered, unless we're gonna, we're gonna have some hot take about it. I did see that some people have appropriately identified this for what it is, but we'll get there. Well, fuck those people. Sorry. Everybody's heard about the Stanford Prison experiments. I remember learning about this in Psych and college and in high school, and it's like the Milgram experiment, they just teach you that this is how human behavior has revealed itself in studies so Right?
Devon Stack
00:06:10 Or like that study that I covered, like, I don't know, a few insomnia streams ago that they based a lot of the closures of the the mental institutions on that turned out to be complete bullshit. But anyway, this study wasn't used to close down mental institutions, but it was used in to understand a different kind of institution, and that would be prisons, prisons, prisons, and that's something that was discussed, especially after the study was conducted. But this is, this is something that's gone over.
00:06:50 It's it's happened over and over and over again, the question of whether or not people in positions of power over people who are don't have any power, if they just automatically become monsters, you know, kind of like the Lord of the Flies, kind of a scenario, you know, where you just have, you know, might makes right, takes over immediately. And this guy that that conducted this study, Philip Zimbardo, who, let's you guys, he's quite the looker. You guys, you ready to see this guy? Let's see here. Look at this handsome double, yeah. Like Satan, like, literally, the double looking guy, yeah? So this guy, as I've said, you've probably heard of him or seen him, maybe not, as he appeared here in 1973 but I'm sure many of you have seen some version of this same Stanford Prison Experiment.
00:07:52 You wear the Stanford Prison Experiment. Dr z, this is a high nerd moment for me. I know all of your work very well. Yeah, of course. Joe Rogan, yeah, this is the perfect kind of scientific study for Joe Rogan.
Rebecca Hargraves
00:08:09 Did he scrutinize it at all? I didn't watch his interview.
Devon Stack
00:08:12 No, of course not. Yeah. Joe Rogan's like, yeah, bro. It's like, the, you know, like mouse utopia and shit, you know. It's like, you know, like the beautiful ones. That's what's happening, bro. I mean, that's basically, you know, a lot of people, that's how, what they know of Philip Zam broni, or whatever the fuck
Rebecca Hargraves
00:08:35 his name is, brony. I like that much better, ugly bastard. I couldn't believe he wasn't Jewish.
Devon Stack
00:08:41 Well, he wasn't Jewish. He was Italian, which is like one foreskin away from being Jewish. But, yeah, that's true.
Rebecca Hargraves
00:08:48 However, he did say that one of the reasons he's into psychology is that everybody thought that he was Jewish growing up, and so he's experienced anti semitism.
Devon Stack
00:09:00 Oh yeah, he was bullied as a child for for looking like a Jew, but just being a spaghetti nag. All right. So this is, you know, this is something that's been going a long time. His study actually got a lot of traction after the Attica riots, which was just a a, you know, a bunch of nigs nigging out in a prison. And so the white man had to do what they had to do, and put some of them down like the animals they are. And in fact, this was, you know, this is a news report from it happening.
Corrections Official
00:09:38 The inmates were requested to release the hostages unharmed, immediately and to join with me in restoring order to the Attica Correctional Facility. Additional time was asked for by the inmates, and the request was granted. It proved to be only another delay. Tactic this morning, the leaders never returned, but callously heard it eight hostages within our view with weapons at their throat.
Devon Stack
00:10:15 So we shot a bunch of them. So what were we supposed to do here, yeah, but it became, like, this big thing, the Black Panther. This, like, literally one year after this study that was supposed to study how prisoners behave and the relationship between prison guards and prisoners. And so this really kind of put the study into the forefront of everyone's minds. And this was, you know, it added to the media buzz, I guess, around it. And then, of course, many years later, it was resurrected after the Abu Ghraib scandal, which I could never really understand. It wasn't like, actual torture. It was like, here stand on a box, yeah, dressed like a Halloween witch.
Rebecca Hargraves
00:11:02 Yeah? I mean, good lord,
Devon Stack
00:11:04 I never could understand, like, why we were being pussies about that, you know. Like, I was just like, okay, so we, we made them get naked and make I mean, I'm not saying I would do that, you know, I wouldn't. I wouldn't be like, Hey guys, you know, be funny. Let's make them all get naked, and then, like, make, like a little human pyramid. I mean, they must have been really bored out there. I mean, but the it wasn't real torture. I mean, no, I mean, compared to what anything really it was, this is, it was like getting hazed
Rebecca Hargraves
00:11:37 at a fret. I mean, in this position, wouldn't you immediately start
Devon Stack
00:11:40 torturing people. I you know, I think it post 911 if you are watching people that they just told you were, I mean, that were the terrorists that did it. I'm surprised any of them survived, quite frankly, yeah, but they just
Rebecca Hargraves
00:11:55 had to do a pyramid and stand on a box. No big deal. It's fine.
Devon Stack
00:11:58 Walk it off, guys, while some horror marine chick was like, doing thumbs up photos all the place, yeah? So such a pussy now, but I got it got dragged out again. In fact, it was used in the defense of one of the the guards. But more than
Rebecca Hargraves
00:12:18 that, it's, it's always, really was an expert witness on that case? Yeah, absolutely.
Devon Stack
00:12:24 And so the the but it's always really, it's a cautionary tale against fascism, is what it is. It's this idea that at any moment, every white inside, every white person, is a Nazi, just waiting to wake up and start oppressing everyone around them. I wish that was true.
Rebecca Hargraves
00:12:45 You don't think that that's kind of true. I hope every day, I pray for that, every day that we find that inside of us.
Devon Stack
00:12:53 I don't think so. I think that there's, there's been enough prolonged dysgenics that I think we've just killed a lot of that out of our genes. Our genes. Like we're killing the wrong people, you know, like we're, we're sending white guys off to war and slaughtering like the based Alpha white guys in Jew wars and in, well, just endless Jew wars, really, and keeping all the non whites and lazy people alive back home. So, you know? But, yeah, this is, this is this is the, the the, I guess the framing of the study is that, you know, if you put people in power, even if they're normal everyday people, because the Nazis were normal everyday people, and then one day they were they were mass murdering Jews. And how did that happen? How did that happen? It doesn't make any sense. So the you know that this study was conducted in order to find out, well, how did that happen?
Rebecca Hargraves
00:14:03 Was this a setup for me? Well, okay, the study wasn't even this guy's idea. So he had some some smart grad students who had actually designed a nearly identical study. So we just yoinked it from them. Just yoinked it from them, and he decided that he was going to randomly assign a certain, I think, 24 participants into prisoner and guard roles. But he didn't design the study at all. I mean, the grad students had done all of the work, and I believe that those are some of the grad students that worked on it with him, along with a former convict who was in for myriad violent crimes. Don't
Devon Stack
00:14:48 you have a clip? No, not till the next little bit. Is that the whole is that the whole explanation?
Rebecca Hargraves
00:14:56 No, I thought you were going to talk about the media the. Be a tour
Devon Stack
00:15:01 that he was no So, not, not just yet. So the the he did, he before conducting the study, you know, he did meet with with a local media outlet to talk about how he should do the study and how it should be, you know, what he should produce out of that study, they would make a lot of media give a lot of media attention to the study, but that will go into that in a little bit here.
Rebecca Hargraves
00:15:29 Okay, so he had nine initial prisoners, so what he did is he interviewed a bunch of Stanford students. He had put an ad in the paper. They were getting paid $15 a day, and Allegedly, he only took people with no criminal background, no mental health issues, and no and no drug use, but they were all smoking weed all the time, so I guess he just wasn't counting that. And then all of them had histories of drug use. I've seen interviews with the participants, and they were like, Yeah, I was dropping acid like every every few days. I don't know why they let me do this experiment, but they for the prisoners, they sent actual Palo Alto police to their homes, had them booked, fingerprinted, blindfolded, did the whole shebang, then they were stripped de loused. They were given smocks.
Devon Stack
00:16:15 I do have a clip of so the yeah, as you said, this is the 1970s this these are boomers in the 70s doing all kinds of drugs. A lot of people, they sign up for this because it's they're going to get paid $15 a day to either be a guard or a prisoner. They weren't told the ones that were designated prisoners that this was going to happen, but they actually had real Palo Alto police officers come to their homes and arrest them and take them downtown and book them as if they were real criminals. So here is a film from this is actual footage, actually of them doing it. Oh, a countdown. I like countdowns, the old timey ones too. They make me happy.
Narrator
00:17:16 These are not prisoners, and this is not a prison. They are college students, and they were part of an astonishing experiment. On a quiet Sunday morning in August, the Palo Alto police swept through the dorms and student housing areas of Stanford University. The police were told to duplicate every detail of an actual arrest, much to the surprise of neighbors and onlookers, each student was formally charged with a serious crime and treated as a dangerous criminal.
00:18:00 At the police station, students were booked and fingerprinted, then each was blindfolded and taken to the basement of the psychology building. There they were led to a simulated prison block consisting of three small cells, a narrow hallway and a closet designed for solitary confinement. This would be their entire world for two weeks. First, the prisoners were stripped and forced to stand naked while they were de loused with a spray. Later, they were given a uniform, which was simply a dress with a number on the front. Instead of shaving their heads, the prisoners were given tight stocking caps to cover their hair. They were put in their cells and told to sit in absolute silence. The process of humiliation had begun.
Devon Stack
00:18:48 They had to wear do rags. So, yeah. So that was day one. Day one, they get arrested, they get hauled in and fingerprinted, the whole deal, and they're trying to set up the idea that this is, this is, you know, this is a realer simulation than you ever thought I was going to be. And you got to remember, even though it sounds like a lot a lot of money, like the $5 a day, or whatever it was in 1970 was it three or 71 was it 71 or 73 it was
Rebecca Hargraves
00:19:21 71 and it was $15 a day. So what is that? Now? I mean, that's a lot of money. I mean, I guess just to sit in a cell. I think a lot of them thought they were going to be able to read and stuff like that. All of them wanted to be prisoners.
Devon Stack
00:19:33 I'm going to look this up, all right, so 1971 if you were getting paid $15 a day to sit on your ass all and pretty much do nothing. You're a college you're a pot smoking college kid. And by the way, weeds also really cheap back then. It's the same as $125 a day today. Seriously, Yes, seriously. Oh, my God, that's how much our money has gone to shit.
Rebecca Hargraves
00:20:05 $15 a day is $125
Devon Stack
00:20:08 a day now. Yes, yes, it has the same buying power as $125 today, right?
Rebecca Hargraves
00:20:15 Plus everything was cheaper.
Devon Stack
00:20:16 Yeah. So, yeah, and yeah. So in boomers, yeah, they lived in a different they lived in a different world, completely different world. Their 15 bucks had $125 of buying power. So anyway, I don't
Rebecca Hargraves
00:20:31 want to jump the gun, but how, how did they even allow this experiment to begin? Because doesn't it invalidate the experiment that everybody knows that this is an experiment, at least in Milgram, which was flawed terribly, and no conclusion should have been taken from that study. But the the person that was conducting the shocks was unaware that the other person was an actor, at least,
Devon Stack
00:20:57 well, right? Well, they the participants were were basically they weren't told a whole lot about what what the experiment was about. They were told that that it was just about prison life and that you and in fact, when they signed up to participate as prisoners, they all they literally signed away their right to even leave the experiment so they would not they couldn't voluntarily leave, at least according to the paperwork. I mean, I guess you could take that to court, but according to the paperwork, they were prisoners until they were allowed by the the the experimenters to leave,
Rebecca Hargraves
00:21:39 but, but based on the on the the experiment alone, they knew that it was a simulation. So I don't know how any conclusions ever could have been drawn based on the design of the experiment.
Devon Stack
00:21:50 Well, I don't know. I guess if you you can be part of an experiment and be aware of the experiment, there's lots of there's lots of studies where, I mean, I mean, because a lot of times, how else would they do it? You know, they're not, they're not, they're not exactly kidnapping people and and putting them in, you know, in observation biodomes. When they do a lot of these social experiments, I think a lot of times people are aware they're part of some experiment.
00:22:15 They're just, they're usually lied about some aspect of it, you know, like the, you know, the experiment, for example, I forget the name of it, where they have the different lengths of lines, and everyone's an actor, except for, like, the one guy, and they ask, like, which line is the longest? And then the the actors will start lying halfway through the study to see if the the the the one true participant is, we'll start going with the crowd instead of the obvious, you know, instead of saying the obviously longer line, you know, time up. So they know, they knew they were part of a study. They just didn't know what was being studied.
00:22:54 So you could say, you could say it would work that way. So anyway, the so we got day two. Day two the, I guess there's a little bit of a a problem already, or no, wait, actually, day one, let's, let's get to the I have another clip from that. So the guards start enforcing rules. And according to the experiment, the way it's been told is the guards were told, really nothing they or they weren't told to, you know, what rules they should come up with. It was all up to the guards, like you had just have these, these two groups of people in this experiment, the people that are at the mercy of the guards and the people that are the guards, and the guards immediately fell into this dynamic by creating rules because they weren't sure what to do.
Narrator
00:23:50 Inventive rules the guards were still groping for things to do to the prisoners, and the prisoners still weren't sure how to respond.
Devon Stack
00:24:03 It just making them count.
00:24:21 So day one, it's, it's, it's, you know, they're trying to, you know, dominate the prisoners, but it's nothing too crazy. They're making them count. They're making them sing silly little songs. They're making them say yes, yes. Or what's the phrase? There was an actual phrase like, yes correction officer, or something like that, yes. Just like, you know, instead of yes drill sergeant, you know, that kind of a thing, yeah.
Rebecca Hargraves
00:24:49 It's just like, push ups and, you know, right light abuse, right?
Devon Stack
00:24:55 So that's day one already. There's the dynamic starts to form. Between the guards and the prisoners, and then day two, you start to have some of the prisoners get a little fed up
Narrator
00:25:11 the guards not completely certain how to act. During this unexpected rebellion started to remove the beds from one cell. I All backwater, the prisoners were equally uncertain. They still felt the prison was a simulation.
Devon Stack
00:25:39 This fucking Jew.
00:25:40 He's such a spazzy Jew.
Rebecca Hargraves
00:25:52 You
00:26:00 ever Is this the little guy?
Devon Stack
00:26:04 Is this carpet? Yeah, yeah, that's the guy yelling simulation.
Rebecca Hargraves
00:26:10 At this time. This guy was five foot seven and he weighed 110 pounds. Oh, good lord, the baggiest little jew.
Devon Stack
00:26:19 So he's Yeah, so he starts screaming and complaining about everything right away. Not the only Jewish participant in this study, by the way, not, not by a long shot. We'll get into that in a little bit. So the prisoners they they rip off their ID numbers, they take off their do rags. They try barricading the doors to their cells with their Yeah, they
Rebecca Hargraves
00:26:42 didn't think about that. So the doors open inwards, and so all the prisoners just put their beds in front of the door so the guards couldn't get in. And then that's when, apparently, things really started to heat up. So on day three, the guards were, they were ramping up this, this kind
Devon Stack
00:26:59 of before we get to day three. You got one more clip for day two. Oh, cool.
Narrator
00:27:04 The guards were not allowed to beat the prisoners, so they fell back on the familiar military technique of ordering push ups to humiliate them.
Devon Stack
00:27:12 This is, this is what's in response to barricading the the doors right here. You
Narrator
00:27:25 sir, the guards didn't plan any of their actions, and the prisoners never knew what was going to happen to them next.
Guard 1
00:27:42 You said? You would be excited. 12345,
00:28:02 push up the battery now. Moving or push ups. These cars don't have a lot of good ideas,
Devon Stack
00:28:18 so they pretty much are just they're just they're just making them do push ups and and whatnot and make them count. Doesn't sound so bad. No, it's not too bad. So then, but by day three,
Rebecca Hargraves
00:28:35 they were doing more push ups. They were making them clean their toilets with the their bare hands. They were doing some sleep deprivation things. They were like, checking their beds multiple times a night. And then this, this tiny, little jew, although we couldn't find confirmation that he was Jewish, but after looking at this guy, I'm totally convinced they're like, there's his wife. His wife also, there's just no way he has this emotional breakdown. He's screaming, he's crying. And does this clip talk about the release?
Devon Stack
00:29:07 No, because this is there. They weren't. They didn't really focus that. So these clips are all from the video they produced for their in 1971 for the media. And so they, they didn't want it because he started, the professor started, because the way that they presented it, like, oh, it turned over, the flies, it was, it was so insane. And he started getting some backlash for, like, torturing students. And so they tried to not make they downplayed it a little bit. But yeah, Corby the little, the little short Jew guy, started freaking.
00:29:45 Basically, the way they describe it in the literature is he had a full on mental breakdown because they stuck him in the closet. That was the hole, yeah. And so he was there for, I remember that they, they said. Say exactly, but wasn't that long. And so he starts screaming, screeching, and eventually they have to take him out. But here's the clip for day three. I'm not sure if they they get into the specifics on that.
Philip Zimbardo
00:30:15 By day three, not only was the rebellion broken, but the guards are exerting control over every aspect of the prison's life, telling them when they could go to the toilet, and indeed, if they could at all, controlling what they could eat and even how much, where and how they should be once
Guard 1
00:30:35 you have a choice of loaf or bologna with lettuce, there's one Saloni sandwich for whoever wants that, and there will be apples for
Philip Zimbardo
00:30:44 dessert at this point. One of the fascinating things that emerged was the new relationship between prisoners and guards. The guards now fell into their job. Some of them liked it, some of them disliked it, but it was a job that they did. They gave commands, and now what happened is the prisons followed them automatically, without questioning, in a servile way, the guards then began to escalate their use of power. Some of them had prisons clean out toilet bowls with their bare hands to do things which were really degrading and humiliating, and the prisons did it without complaining. Just did it because this is what they had to do.
Devon Stack
00:31:20 So the prisoners are also getting more servile. Yeah. In addition to the guards becoming more sadistic and flexing more often, the prisoners are, by contrast, becoming more docile and obedient, which is the other side of this study is to show that not just, could you turn evil like that, the second you're in a position of power that you would also, you know, just become complacent. The second, which, if you think about in the context of the Holocaust, that's another question that people always ask. It's not always just like, well, how come the Nazis were like, these normal dudes, normal, you know, rational German guys that just went crazy and just started killing everyone for no reason.
00:32:09 They also asked, like, Well, wait, hold on, if everyone's just getting gassed constantly, and there's like, a million of the Jews, why didn't you guys, like, try to leave something, yeah, like, you know you're gonna get gassed, right? So what's, what's, what's the worst thing that gets happens, instead of getting gassed, you get shot trying to kill a Nazi. Don't ask those questions, yeah? And they're like, Wow, you wouldn't understand, because of the oppressive environment of the the Nazi concentration camp, we all just gave up on life. Yeah, exactly. So this is all that's kind of what this is addressing, and what he's trying to explain with that kind of behavior with that. So then we get into day four.
Rebecca Hargraves
00:32:50 Yeah, so prisoners are showing signs of distress. At this point. They're disoriented because there's no light coming in, so they've kind of lost their circadian rhythm. There's there's no there's like night, day confusion. They're depressed. A lot of them are crying like little bitches. Two Two more prisoners are released, like little stoner boomers, is what I know I had to do, push ups there. Two more are released or due to emotional trauma. Supposedly, we'll talk about this later. And guards have introduced like, different cells for levels of behavior. One of them was like a good cell, where they got perks, and one of them was a bad cell. This is outside of the hole. We have a lot of roof hole into the pit. We got a lot of hole references on the show, people are always going into the hole. And at this point, the grad student
Devon Stack
00:33:45 that this joke I did not do right there, just see, do it. It would have been so easy to I know
Rebecca Hargraves
00:33:53 I know where you're going. Know you're going. So at this point, he invites his girlfriend, this grad student that he's banging, to come and check it out. And she says that she's shocked by the conditions. I think we have a clip on these. None of the, none of the stuff that I said, because they're trying to keep it cool in the Stanford video.
Devon Stack
00:34:12 Yeah, we'll get into that here in a moment. So this is the Stanford video day 401. Good word.
00:34:35 Oh, it took too long to get lives so he don't get a pillow. So the other thing also I want to bring up is the guy at the sunglasses that guard right there. They called him John Wayne, because he was this and he would think, Well, John Wayne, he's like, a good guy right now. These are lefty college Boomer kids that hate straight white men like John Wayne. Wayne, like he's the man, like he's literally and so because this guy's act like one of the pigs, you know that's, that's, they started calling him John Wayne, which might make sense of John Wayne was Jewish. We'll get to that a minute, too.
00:35:16 So this guy is, he's the main, he's like the Alpha bully of the guards. And he's, he's, you know, just the worst out of all of them. So they call him John Wayne. So here he is just, you know, kind of tormenting someone and saying that they can't have a pillow. In fact, they had after the little jew, little short Jew guy that has his little freak out. They replaced they did end up replacing him. They let him leave because they were like, oh shit, you know he's gonna blow up the whole experiment. So they swap him out with some standby guy, which leads us into day five.
Rebecca Hargraves
00:35:57 Yeah, so on day five, the prisoners are seeming more passive, and the guards are supposedly growing more creative and sadistic with their abuse. There was some forced nudity in the film. They, they there was some, like, forced sodomy type simulations. Did this actually happen? No, ah, okay. And Zimbardo claims that he became more deeply immersed as the superintendent, and that he was really invested in that role, and that he that he loses himself in in the power structure and the dynamic of the power. We'll talk about that in a little bit, though, right?
Devon Stack
00:36:45 You know, he mentions that all the time in interviews too, because he says, like, oh, yeah, it only took a few days before they started simulating sodomy. And it's like, no that. They made him play leapfrog, you know, if that counts, I guess, you know. But yet, also Day Five is when you have the hunger strike incident where you had these, they swapped out the complaining Jew with the the the new guy. The new guy comes in kind of blind. He hasn't been there for the whole experiment, so he's looking at this, he's like, this is fucking bullshit. I don't want to play this game. And so he decides he's going to do a hunger strike and not eat the hot dogs. And because he doesn't want to eat the hot dogs, the guards freak out and make him go in the hole. And so this clip, I think, talks about that.
Philip Zimbardo
00:37:38 And remember, only four days had passed in this prison, only four days. But that was enough, because the sense of time had been totally altered, indeed their sense of moral value, so much so that when a prisoner got sick, 819, and before releasing him, I put him in a room to rest, the guard sees us as an opportunity to set the prisoners against each other, and had the prisoners chant loud enough so that this poor 819, could hear this, that he was a bad prisoner. I raced into the room once I realized that he could hear this, what I found was a boy crying hysterically, bawling, while in the background, his fellows, his other students, just like him, were yelling that he was a bad prisoner, that they were being punished because of him.
Devon Stack
00:38:33 You gotta remember that this, this is like, this kind of this would look really scary to the viewers at home that watch something like this, like, oh, wow, they're after five days, there are already brainwashed, then just chanting and like in unison. This is fucking crazy.
Narrator
00:38:57 As a result of prisoner 819, behavior, all the others were forced by the guards to do mass push ups.
Rebecca Hargraves
00:39:14 No big deal more push ups
Devon Stack
00:39:18 and simulated sodomy. Of course.
Rebecca Hargraves
00:39:22 You it was actually difficult to tell what had happened and what had not happened. I mean, the the only thing that I could really go by was the guard testimony and the prisoner testimony, I mean, but some of them did say that things like this had happened. So I was like, huh, is this real?
Devon Stack
00:39:39 Well, there's not. There's no, there's definitely no footage of it, because I've watched pretty much all the footage that they have. They had of it. And then so then we get into day six, yeah.
Rebecca Hargraves
00:39:50 So on day six, the girlfriend has confronted Zimbardo about the ethical horrors. Isn't she Jewish, too? Oh, is she? She almost positive she is. Her last name was moss lock.
Devon Stack
00:40:06 I'm almost positive she is, but I could be wrong.
Rebecca Hargraves
00:40:09 She threatens to break up with him if it continues, and then he agrees to end the experiment. They have these Parole Board hearings for some of the prisoners, and then they end up terminating that evening, he says it's because of the love of his woman made him see that what he was doing was evil,
Devon Stack
00:40:31 but not, not before. Look at the evil, though, because this, this is like next level evil. This is pretty sadistic shit.
Philip Zimbardo
00:40:39 Things had gotten so bad that we no longer had a group of prisoners. We had were individuals believing they were prisoners struggling for individual survival, no longer caring about their other prisoners or their other fellow students. This really hit home when we observed one of the prisoners, four, one says the hunger strike, the last futile attempt to assert his individuality and freedom, he refused to eat. The guards could not get him to eat. So here was a chance for the prisoners to reorganize to solidify a new act of rebellion. What did they do? They isolated him. Prisoners didn't want to have anything to do with him because he was a bad prisoner. The guards did everything they could try to force feed him. They tried to get the other prisoners to do it. They cut off. They threatened to cut off visiting hours for the other prisons. If he were visiting hours. They then took him and put him in a hole solitary confinement, a small closet, two feet by four feet, dark with stench air. He still refused at this point. He should have been a hero to the other prisoners. Instead, he became a source of trouble,
Devon Stack
00:41:47 see, and this is, this is trying, this is trying to explain the the Jews that collaborate with the Nazis, you know, like they talk about how, like, Oh, what was the they have? What term for? What are those guys called? They got, like, this special star. It's like, blue instead of and they got to, like, have an extra couple sips of soup or something that they ratted out the other Jews.
Rebecca Hargraves
00:42:10 There's, like, a word for it, pussies too. I'm sure, I'm sure there is, you want to Google it. Um, there's such pussy. This guy is. He just fasted for a day. That's it. This is a day. It's like you're not in a hunger strike. Man, like day nine,
Devon Stack
00:42:26 he literally, here's, this was the hunger strike. He didn't eat the hot dog they brought him. That was it? No, that was really it. They brought him a hot dog, and he refused to eat the hot dog. Hunger strike. No, but like, the big emotional thing is that they, after they lock him in the hole, they force the other boys to bang on the door of the hole and say that he's, you know, he sucks 416 on the
00:42:50 floor as he was forced into solitary
Narrator
00:43:02 because of his refusal to eat, the prisoners were lined up for yet another count, but this time, the guards allowed them to express their anger directly at prisoner 416,
Devon Stack
00:43:12 it. And that was, that was the big mental torture that made them, oh, we better put a stop to this. This, this is getting out of hand. It's getting they're banging on the door of the of the broom closet that he's in and saying, Thank you. 416, asshole. And, like, that was it. That was, that's, that was the experiment. That's when they shut it down. Yeah. So after it gets shut down, you know that they, they go to the media, right? They have, like, a big media blitz.
Rebecca Hargraves
00:43:56 He goes to the media before he's even published the results of the study before he's even defined. You know, you have to do a ton of analysis after an experiment. You have to release a research paper. But before he does any of this shit, he goes to the media with some preconceived findings, right?
Devon Stack
00:44:16 And the media that he goes to is a man by the name of Larry Goldstein. Ding, ding, ding. So Larry Goldstein is the Jew that he met with prior to the experiment, in order to ask Larry Goldstein what exactly he would be looking for when producing a story about a study that hadn't even been conducted yet, which is interesting. That's kind of weird that you would, you would approach some Jew in the media and say, I'm a professor that is go, I'm going to create. I have no idea what the results are going to be, or, yeah, or what, what's going to happen.
00:44:59 You. But I want to make sure that we can structure this in a way that you can use it for a story and the jewelry normal, they always do this in experiments. Yeah, Larry Goldstein's like, I'm happy to help. So it helps design the study. I guess with him, after the studies done, he meets with Larry Goldstein, who is a producer over at the NBC affiliate K R O N TV in San Francisco, and Larry gives him some pointers on how to present this study to the media. And we know about this, because it's all on tape, and so we have a couple of clips from Larry's. This is in the background. It's two hours long. I'm not we're not gonna listen to two hours, but I listened to the two hours of them watching the the video that they had taken with the camera, and some of the film reels and stuff, and Larry giving him feedback on how he should present this scientific study to the media.
00:46:08 And so in the first clip here, Larry tells him to make sure that you really focus on the fact that it's all white kids. It's upper middle class white kids, and so, oh, even your young boy, you know, even Little Billy, he himself could become a Nazi instantly. So this is Larry Goldstein talking to Zimbardo, and if you hear little scratching sounds, that is quite literally zimbardo's Pencil taking notes on the notepad. I'm not kidding. That's right next to the recorder. So that's his pencil scribbling notes, as Larry Goldstein tells him about the focus on the white kids and also earlier,
Larry Goldstein
00:46:55 do stress that these are white, middle class, bright, pretty sophisticated kids who are involved in this you hear that pencil least expect to conform quickly to prison patterns.
Devon Stack
00:47:16 Ah, yes, it's all these bright young white kids that you have to worry about that will turn into fucking monsters the first chance they get. So next clip here is he starts talking about how when you present this study, you have to present it in the form of a narrative. And the narrative has to be that every day it got worse every day. It became more brutal and brutal and brutal, and just kept increasing in severity.
Larry Goldstein
00:47:49 Very quickly. It's a two week experiment that you're doing for the money. Very quickly, what happened was,
Devon Stack
00:47:55 there's that pencil normal
Larry Goldstein
00:47:56 college students playing guards got caught into their role, became very quickly and each day intensified more and more brutal and sadistic, and started toying with the prisoners and playing with them. On the other hand, the kids were playing prisoners became more neurotic, withdrawn, paranoid, until finally, at the end of the first week of the two week experiment, they just couldn't go on. I couldn't get anybody to go on anymore. They had had it, even though the $15 a day is a lot of money, and they did essentially for the money, they just couldn't take
Devon Stack
00:48:36 it wet, right? That's, that's a very scientific way of presenting your findings going to some Jew that it tells you exactly how to present your findings. Yeah, exactly the pencil.
Rebecca Hargraves
00:48:50 No, I don't any knowledge of the experiment or anything like that. He just had a debriefing.
Devon Stack
00:48:57 Well, he watched the clips that he was the base of the same kind of clips we were watching. That was the films that they were watching. And yeah, and listen to Zimbardo explanation about the about the study. So then he tells him that, you know, it's very important, what we're doing here is we're making we're creating a myth. We're creating a myth. He says, a myth like a story, a little story for people to learn a lesson from.
Larry Goldstein
00:49:27 And what we're doing from here on in is we are telling a fascinating it's almost like a story I read to my kids. You know, you know how it's going to end. Everybody knows how it's in and yet, I mean Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs isn't really a great story until the second or third time it's told. And that's, that's what we're trying to get at here. It's almost a myth. We're dealing
Devon Stack
00:49:49 with a myth like the Holocaust.
Rebecca Hargraves
00:49:51 Yeah, you just got to hammer it in there. The 20th time somebody hears about it, then then they believe it.
Devon Stack
00:49:56 Yeah, over and over and over again. And then eventually. It starts to take him, it starts to become the way people view the world, like Abby. Abby Hoffman used to say, you know, a good propagandist doesn't tell you the way the world is. He tells you the way he thinks it should be.
00:50:16 Yeah, the next clip here as he starts telling him that to make they're talking about, you know, how they're going to present this footage in and and he mentions, well, it's better, actually, if the people at home watching this footage don't think that the participants, real are aware that they're being filmed, even though they all, they all were, they were aware that they were going to be cameras there, and that was part of the deal. Like that.
00:50:50 They knew they were part obviously, they knew they were part of a study and that they were on camera. But he wants, he thinks that's bad for optics, because it would be more impactful if the people think that, Oh, these people didn't even, they can't be performing because they don't, they don't even know they're on camera. And you gotta, because you gotta remember back then for you to be on camera today is no big deal if you watch home movies from like the 1980s when people, for the first time had, like, you know, camcorders, you point a camera at any random person, you get a wild reaction out of them, like they start dancing around, or they cover their face or they run away.
00:51:34 I mean, it's not like today, where, like, everyone's just used to being on camera 24 hours a day. But if you go go on YouTube and just look up like, 1980s High School video, and you'll see, like, you know, some, some dork from the AV department running around the halls with like, this massive fucking camera equipment, yeah. And anytime he points it at someone, they start, like, performing like monkeys, like, they're just like, Haha, I'm gonna be on TV, you know, like, and so that's what he's talking about, is he thinks that like, well, if they know, if they know that they're, they're on camera, they're going to actually perform. And that's how people are going to think about it. So he tells them, you need to, you know, maybe reframe that.
Larry Goldstein
00:52:15 See, once you say they were unaware of when they were taping, the implication is that, well, they're aware of it, and I think you have to say something to ameliorate that a little bit within the latitude of exactly what happened, right?
Rebecca Hargraves
00:52:34 Okay, totally, yeah.
Background
00:52:37 So I guess what you can say is
Philip Zimbardo
00:52:41 something like, well, you think maybe, I maybe was just enough to say we had, you had a hidden camera, which, instead of talking about their awareness, to say we had a hidden camera, because what we wanted to do was to have a daily record of five of the behavior. So, I mean, we don't talk about just the fact that it's hidden, which is the truth, they can the audience can or cannot assume that. So the pertinent, okay, so the purpose is a daily record. Just analyze what happened afterwards. All over,
Rebecca Hargraves
00:53:13 suggest that it was hidden, and they can just assume that they didn't know about it because the camera was hit. Oh, my God. And then
Devon Stack
00:53:20 towards the end, the Jew tells him, reiterates, make sure you know it has to it has to seem as if it's getting worse and worse and worse every day. It's just it's spinning out of control.
Larry Goldstein
00:53:32 Yeah, what you've got to stress is, each day as we progress, you've got to emphasize that the way the experiment is progressed, so that behavioral patterns are beginning to emerge and intensify. So by the second day, this happened by the third day, such and such happened by the fourth day. Now we're in this level, etc.
Devon Stack
00:53:49 Okay, and by the way, that's exactly how the Stanford video went. He's like, by day one, they were doing this. By day two, it was, it was madness already. By day three, the guy wouldn't eat the hot dog, you know,
Rebecca Hargraves
00:54:04 by day four, they were getting sodomized with guards baton, yeah,
Devon Stack
00:54:08 so that's basically that, that's, that's what this study was. It was, it was created to be a media event, to be a propaganda piece. It wasn't like an actual study
Rebecca Hargraves
00:54:24 that wasn't even just after. Like, this is how the study was designed.
Devon Stack
00:54:29 Yeah, exactly. It was premeditated. And in fact, he's lied often about a lot of the other parameters of the test. For example, as we kind of alluded to earlier. He talks about how the guards, oh yeah, the guards just came up with their own rules. We didn't tell him anything.
Rebecca Hargraves
00:54:48 In the research paper that he the post Hawk research paper that he did the analysis of the experiment, he says neither group received any specific training in these roles like he says that. In the abstract, right?
Devon Stack
00:55:03 And, and the problem is, you know, that's that's not true, setting up a physical prison here, oh, by the way, so that he did an orientation where he trained the the guards how to act in that video, which we're gonna get a little more into the contents of that, but I just thought this was funny. We just because we just listened to the part where he acts like, oh, they wouldn't know that they were on camera. Here's him telling them that they're going to be on camera,
Philip Zimbardo
00:55:32 setting up a physical prison here, studying what that does. There'll be constant surveillance. Nothing they do will go unobserved. Can create boredom, can create a sense of frustration, can create a sense of fear in them.
Devon Stack
00:55:44 They'll have no privacy at all. No privacy at all. 24 hour surveillance. So the idea that they wouldn't know their cameras is absurd. So they knew that they were on camera. You In fact, during this orientation, he starts talking about specifics and telling them that you need to bully these people.
00:56:06 We're trying to make them crazy. You need to be assertive. You need to be the way. Because he knew he was talking to college kids that hated cops. They hated the pigs. And so he was telling, like, leaning into that saying, Oh yeah, act like how the pigs would. And one of the participants, Ken Cotter, this guy right here, had been selected to be one of the guards, and said that the orientation to him sounded like he was just going to be abusing people for two weeks straight. And so he so he quit. He didn't want to participate, because it just sounded like he was being hired to to mentally and physically abuse people for two weeks straight.
Rebecca Hargraves
00:56:48 Not only that, but he went to Zimbardo, and he was like, listen, the results of this experiment. This is kind of a layman guy. He's like, the results of this experiment are going to be invalid because of X, Y and Z, and I don't really want to be a part of this. I mean, this I mean, this isn't going to yield any meaningful results, right?
Devon Stack
00:57:06 And Zimbardo was like, Oh no, maybe you should stick around. You can try to be the change within or something like that. And then the guy was like, Nah, no, thanks. So they, they, as I said earlier, they made it sound like there's no rules, right? First thing
Philip Zimbardo
00:57:23 the guard said is, we need rules. And so they set about to make up this systematic number of rules.
Lesley Stahl - Reporter
00:57:28 Guards made the rules.
Philip Zimbardo
00:57:29 Oh, absolutely you. Oh no,
00:57:30 not at all.
Devon Stack
00:57:31 Oh, not at all, not at all. Except for Stahl, she's Jewish. They're all Jewish. She's definitely
Rebecca Hargraves
00:57:39 Jewish, yeah, and she wears a wig.
Devon Stack
00:57:42 So he's, he's, he's explicitly saying on camera over and over and over and over again, for years, for decades, that the guards came up with their own rules. They weren't told to do any rules, except for you, look at the the now available documentation at the Stanford library, or you can go to their website, look at this stuff. There's rules. So you know, the prisoners must not move, tamper with the face, or damage wall, ceiling, windows, doors or any prison property. Prisoners may never operate cell lighting. Prisoners must address each other by number only, prisoners must always address the guards as Mr. Correctional Officer and the warden as Mr. Chief correctional officer. Prisoners must never refer to their condition as an experiment or a simulation. They are in the prison until paroled prisoners will be allowed five minutes in the laboratory, no prisoner will be allowed to return to laboratory within one hour after a scheduled laboratory. Smoking is a privilege.
00:58:47 Smoking will be allowed at meals or not at all. This is also for the guards practice giving orders, talking up, making making sure the prisoners are naked for 15 minutes, like they made it sound as if, like, this is something that the guards came up with, put chains on them, make them do push ups like this is all documented that they had all these these instructions for the guards on how to act. And so they the idea that these people were just like, I'm a sadistic fuck. And the second I got a chance to have power over someone, I started making up all these crazy rules, arbitrary rules that I made these people follow.
00:59:25 Because I'm, I'm mad with power now. I'm, I'm like the black lady at the DMV that doesn't want to give you your registration because you don't have your water bill or something like that. Like, it's, it's, they made it, that's what they made it sound like. Is, is, you know, these guys were all fucking psychos. So obviously there's rules. And not only that, they were, if you even like, this is right after the experiment. This is the guy they called John Wayne. He was, like, the super mean, I. Uh, guard. But here's the funny thing, the Weasley guy who had the mental breakdown, which we'll get into in a second, Jewish and the so the prisoner with the biggest reaction was Jewish, and the guard with the biggest reaction also Jewish.
01:00:18 So even if this was like a legit study, it'd be more of a study on how Jews behave in these these scenarios, because the two people who had the biggest, most amplified reaction to this scenario were both Jewish. So this guy, even after the study, was just like, Well, look, I was just doing a role. I was just doing my job as a guard. They they basically told me that I'm supposed to act this way.
Philip Zimbardo
01:00:45 You put a uniform on and are given a role. I mean, a job, saying Your job is to keep these people in line. Then you're not, certainly not the same person as if you're in street, closing in a different role. You really become that person. What you put on that khaki uniform, you put on the glasses you put on, you take the night stick and you know, you act the part. That's your that's your costume, and you have to act accordingly.
Devon Stack
01:01:12 And he doesn't mean that, like some philosophical way. He was literally an actor, yes, yeah. Here He is later in life. This is the same Jew years later, basically, thinking about it, in a recent interview, saying the same thing,
Former Guard
01:01:28 you know, the popular narrative for this thing, as you probably know, is that you take these normal people and you put them in this evil environment, and suddenly they become evil. But you know, I just, I don't think you can draw conclusions from it because of the way that it was done and the effect that he had in tipping the scale, so to speak. It's very good theater, but I don't think it qualifies as good science. The way that I was portrayed in the experiment by Zimbardo was that I step into this evil environment and suddenly I become this evil character, when, in fact, before I step into the experiment, I stay outside and I get in character, and when I'm ready, I enter and now I am my character.
Devon Stack
01:02:11 So he's like this kind of fruity dipshit, this guy, but he's like an improv actor as well. And like all improv actors, actor, he's a fruity dipshit, you know, like he's, he does, he's like, in some local band that plays to, like a room full of nobody and
Rebecca Hargraves
01:02:31 a room full of Jews. He does, like a Jewish Community Center
Devon Stack
01:02:34 circuit, yeah? And he's, he's literally a banker, which is kind of funny. And so, yeah. So he's this, he's this, you know, artsy acty, gay Jew, essentially. And when he got hired to do a job, he put on a show. In fact, he even says, like, I had just watched Cool Hand Luke, and I was trying to be the guard in that movie. And in fact, he got laughs from the prisoners that would recognize some of the movie lines that he was repeating from cool hand, Luke, or, you know, like we have a failure to communicate and like stuff like that. Yeah, so did
Rebecca Hargraves
01:03:24 you know that his right hand man, the prison guard that was his right hand man, Chuck Burton, was also Jewish, and he wrote a blog in 2016 where he says that, as one of the guards in the Stanford Prison Experiment, the son of a holocaust refugee. Is it this guy? Is it Chuck Burton?
Devon Stack
01:03:44 This is the one that lives in Vietnam. Now, I think, yeah,
Rebecca Hargraves
01:03:49 I think so. Do we have a clip about this? And he says, I'm a lifelong war protester and one who rejects the pathology of Trump in all of its ugliness, but I think that he he also knew that this was an experiment about prison reform, and he wanted to make it like the Holocaust.
Devon Stack
01:04:06 Well, this might be a different Jew, though there's a lot of Jews in this, because this Jew here, buddy Jewish in this, a lot of them are so this Jew here, it may or may not be the same guy. I didn't see him mentioned that the parts that I watched, but this guy was a pacifist who literally said that he studied Jewish mysticism in one of his interviews, and he was a big pot head because they all were and when he showed up to The experiment, he got pulled in after the first day for not being aggressive and mean enough, and he got dressed down by the people running the experiment for not not acting like an asshole.
01:04:53 And so he remembered that clearly, and was like, Yeah, I just I wasn't cut out for that. I was just too much of a stoner pot. Ed, and they told me that I had to be a team player and that the other guards wouldn't trust me if they didn't see me be as violent as they were being. So in fact, here's, I think there's, what's his name again, I want to keep calling him zambino, but it's Sam Bardo. Bardo, so zambardo is, that's him acting like the warden and coming in and telling the guards how to behave.
01:05:27 So it's, you know, like the guards were told exactly what to do. Their reaction was not like some phenomenon where, like, Oh, by being put in this situation, our behavior magically shifted to that of demons. And so that was, that's, that's the guards side of the coin. But the same was kind of true when it came to the prisoners. You know, this is the prisoner that had the quote, unquote mental breakdown that was so shocking, and they had to, you know, take him out of the experiment and swap him out for the guy that wouldn't eat hot dogs and the the actual story behind this, at least, according to him. Now this fucking Jew again, so ridiculous, according to him. Now today, he says, well, they wouldn't let me leave the experiment, so kind of like the training on mash.
01:06:22 I decided to act crazy, so they would, they would have to let me go. They'd have to let me out of the experiment. And so I just acted like a fucking lunatic and tell they, they let me leave because they weren't going to let me leave the experiment, because I'd signed some paper saying that, you know, certain things had, you know, like one of them, just like again, on the military, by wearing a dress I'm gonna act like a lunatic to go to this experiment. So according to him, his mental breakdown was, was fake, because he wanted to get out of the experiment. So even that was was was made up. So then we get to the narrative.
Rebecca Hargraves
01:07:05 What's that? You're good, it's okay. My I had a glitch on my end. Keep going.
Devon Stack
01:07:10 So then we have the narrative that the, oh, the girlfriend had saved the day, right? She, she came in and witnessed the brutality of this, this psychotic experiment and the men were doing. And, you know, luckily, because she's a woman and she's more in tune, she could see that this, you know, spastic Jew, was having a mental health crisis, and that the the whole thing had to be shut down.
01:07:39 And, in fact, the top comment under one of the YouTube videos about this made me laugh. It was some dipshit putting the fact it took a woman coming in and seeing the horror of the experiment for it to finally come to an end. Is disturbing. That's the that's the top comment out of 403 comments, you know, with one over 1000 likes of these people watching, you know, a video about the fucking experiment and thinking that, Oh, thank God, a woman came in and put a stop to this, this horrendous abuse that was going on. And here, here's, here's how John Wayne, what John Wayne had to say about that
Former Guard
01:08:26 early what I've been told was that Christina Maslach, after witnessing my supposed magical transformation from normal kid to sadistic bastard, that she went to Philip and demanded that he stopped torturing these boys and call an end of the experiment.
Devon Stack
01:08:43 And but that was, that was the narrative. But what was the truth? This is one of the another one of the participants made a good headline.
Narrator
01:08:50 I just began to feel sick to my stomach. I had this just chilling, sickening feeling of watching this, and I just turned away.
Philip Zimbardo
01:09:01 She came down, saw that mad house and said, You know what, it's terrible what you're doing to those boys, and you are responsible. And I ended the study the next day, the good news is I married her the next year, the woman with fresh eyes saw the inhumanity and woke him up. Ah, god,
Devon Stack
01:09:25 watch my TED Talk. So, yeah, that whole narrative that that this, you know, this fresh eyed woman came in. It was like, You, men are insane. You have to put a stop this. This is why women should rule the world. There'd be no wars if women ruled the world. And so they they shut it down. So that's, you know, that was kind of a big deal. And then there was a wait.
Rebecca Hargraves
01:09:55 So was that not true, that she said that she was going to shut off the Jewish. Moon pipeline to, well, that's that,
Devon Stack
01:10:03 I don't know. That's what she says in interviews, and that's what, that's what he says, And when he's doing his TED talks or whatever. Who knows, though, but not all the participants, yeah, all the participants were like, Nah, that seems a little Why would she watch what was going on and think it was, you know, Oh, the humanity. I have to put a stop to it like it wasn't that big of a deal, you know? And so then a lot of this stuff came out as a result of a studious Frenchman by the name, I can't even say his name, it's the Thibault LA, text, ya, how would you say that
Rebecca Hargraves
01:10:43 ballet text?
Devon Stack
01:10:44 Wah, no, but he wrote a book that I'm not going to say the title in French, but in English, is translated to history of a lie. And he went out to Stanford and actually started looking over the audio tapes, looking over the video tapes, looking over the film reels, looking over all the documents. And it became clear to him that this was not a an actual study. It was a media event. It was there to create. It was propaganda. It was 100% there to promote the idea that this kind of behavior would happen, not only because of their political leanings towards prisons. And you know how we, just like, we should close all the the insane asylums. We should also open up all the prisons, and, you know, let all the people out. But also, you know, because the, obviously, the Holocaust narrative and whatnot. So here he is talking about that
Thibault Le Texier
01:11:48 he had this agenda. Let's make something very striking, very graphic, very extreme. Let's go to the media with this argument. The Stanford Prison Experiment was like a media event. It was not planned, really, as a scientific experiment, but it was more like producing material that could be used by the journalist,
Devon Stack
01:12:10 producing material that could be used by the journalist, and the journalist he's talking about is Larry Goldstein.
Rebecca Hargraves
01:12:18 Larry Goldstein, right, and good for this guy, he's really solid, because he did not go into this anticipating that he was going to find fault with the experiment. He was just interested in the subject matter. And then immediately he was like, this is not reproducible. And then he started reading about this, and he was like, the whole thing is bullshit. Is totally invented. And then he it was like, his life's work to try to debunk this, because it's such a basis in curriculum. And, of course, the expert witness case that we discussed earlier, I mean, they really use this for for serious judgments on human behavior in the field of psychology and psychiatry and that, and that expands outward, but the whole thing is bullshit.
Devon Stack
01:12:57 And all it really did is it just created a a career for Zimbardo. Yeah, Zimbardo became a household name, you know, beginning in the 70s, all the way up till the the moment he died, which was like, like two years. Please welcome Dr Philip Zimbardo.
Philip Zimbardo
01:13:21 We wanted to ask the question, what happens if you take people, all of whom are good, and put them in a bad place? Does the goodness of people dominate the Bad Place, or does the bad situation come to corrupt the good people? And the sad answer was the latter,
Devon Stack
01:13:38 and that was his thesis, and that's what people were taught for 50 plus years.
Rebecca Hargraves
01:13:45 It's what people are still being taught. Yeah, a lot of people have no idea curriculum. And he, he got incredibly famous and rich off of his book that he wrote 30 years later called the Lucifer effect. And he did this massive media tour up until his death. He was just like Joe Rogan, he was doing these incredibly large interviews about the validity of the experiment, which has been debunked by this French journalist. Is he a journalist? He's just a writer, yeah.
Devon Stack
01:14:17 But yeah, the idea that this has been taken seriously, and just like the, in fact, this is, it's the same thing. The the study that we talked about that was used to shut down all the mental institutions, that was found out to be a fraud, that there was just Jews lying about, like they, I mean, they were just making it up, like they weren't even, like, even doing a fake experiment, like, in this case, they just totally made it up. Yeah, and now that that's been revealed, because another, just like in this case, a goy writer, was like, huh, I want to research this. She starts peeling back the onion, and she's like, Oh, it's 100% Jew nonsense. It's all lies.
01:14:56 She publishes a book and and that stuff. Study is still used in universities, yeah, with, with no asterisk next to it that says, in fact, it was published in Nature, and Nature never did a retraction or anything like that, even though it's 100% proven false, just like this guy's study is 100% proven false, and there's no asterisk next to his name, and there's no and they and they will still, you know, reuse this over and over and over again in universities all throughout the West to try to, you know, scare people into, you know, be afraid of authority. You know, ever having authority over people? You know, fascism is just one, one hot dog away, and it's, you know, it's, they'll put you in the hole until you start screaming simulation over and
Rebecca Hargraves
01:15:44 over and over again. So, right? Ironically, this became, this had a psychological effect on on the broader world. And I think that this was intentional by some of the guards, the Jewish guards, that participated in this, by Larry Goldstein and by zimbaldo. Is it Zimbardo Zimbabwe? Why can I not remember
Devon Stack
01:16:05 this guy's name? Because he sounds like he should be a mannequin inside of a fucking wooden box at a carnival. That's why, oh, the great Zimbardo will tell you your future just drop a quarter and Tom Hanks will turn into a little boy. I mean, it's like, what the fuck who names our kids Zimbardo.
Rebecca Hargraves
01:16:26 But the larger psychological effect on on the goy was believing that in all of us, that there is evil that is just waiting to come out in a certain situation that's outside of our control, which, of course, is not true. So he was a situationalist, and we talk a lot about genetics on this show, and the importance of genetics. This is so he doesn't believe in genetics at all. He believes that your behavior is not even controlled by your personality, but your behavior. And this is a Marxist theory, another Jew that your behavior is entirely controlled by the confines of your immediate environment only. So he went into this being an advocate for prison reform.
01:17:10 He knew that he wanted this study to be used in prison reform somehow, because he thought that recidivism was a was a sit, was a situation surrounding the individual, and it was due to poverty and things like that, and he thought the prisoners were being massively over punished. So he did this experiment because he wanted massive, sweeping prison reform, and he designed it that way. And yeah, I mean, I mean, you can see the hand of Jews in every element of this experiment, because this situationalism is is a Marx it's a retarded Marxist philosophy that denies the existence of race, of genetics, and it completely plays into this, this idea, this stupid idea that your environment determines 100% of your behavior. I mean, how could you even conduct an experiment that is reproducible, that's fair, that you can, that you can get any kind of information from in light of that worldview. It's, it's, it's moronic,
Devon Stack
01:18:11 well, and that's the thing is, that's what was, what he was trying to prove that. Because it wasn't just that there was a monster in every white person. There was also a pussy that wouldn't, you know, that wouldn't eat the hot dog or whatever, like, yeah, it was like everyone was just a blank slate that, given the right parameters, would all behave exactly the same, regardless of of how they, you know, of their race, of their of their genetics, that everyone is literally exactly the same. This the reason why Marxists obviously believe that is you have to if you want communism to work, you have to believe that, if you that the only reason why a black person underperforms at the level that they underperform at is because of 100% environment.
01:18:57 And so therefore, if you give everyone the same environment, everyone will, you know, perform at the same level. And so, yeah, this is just more Marxist nonsense and Jewish nonsense that was, you know, the the unholy alliance, once again, between Italians and Jews. Take her to create this stuff. But, yeah, that's, that's a, that's the, I guess, the untold story, or the, not as often told, story of the Stanford Prison Experiment. And it's funny, because you'll have all these truth or channels they'll talk about, you know, like, oh yeah. Like, they buy into all these stupid studies because they think that it says something like, oh yeah. Like, you don't even know that's how mind fucked you are, you know, like the, did you hear about, like, the prison study? You know you're, you're just, like, one of those slaves. You know, you're just, you know, John Wayne was gonna hit you with his night stick and make you eat hot dogs.
Rebecca Hargraves
01:19:54 And you're just gonna, yeah, really? And I saw a lot of people that had unpacked this, and me. Meaningful way. You know that with the problems with reproducibility and the other issues, but nobody mentions the Jewish influence. I mean, anybody mentioned that angle?
Devon Stack
01:20:09 Not once. No. And like I said, the absurd amount of Jews in the study was, was was crazy. Because I when we first, when we first set up to do this, both of us said, Well, there's no Jews that seem to be into this, but whatever, you know, and we start, and then the second we start researching, I'm like, oh. Larry Goldstein, huh?
Rebecca Hargraves
01:20:29 Oh, yeah, that's interesting. Dave Eshelman,
Devon Stack
01:20:33 yeah, that's weird. You know, who's this little flack? Five foot two, Spaz, like, another Jew. Yeah, it's like, what the fuck is going on here? And I didn't even realize
Rebecca Hargraves
01:20:44 until we started streaming, that the other guard, the one that was the Holocaust descendant, or whatever, was a different Jew. It was David Eshelman the whole time.
Devon Stack
01:20:54 Oh, no, yeah, another. And I bet we don't even know, but there's probably even more than that, because we
Rebecca Hargraves
01:21:00 know of four Jews that were in the experiment. There were subjects in the
Devon Stack
01:21:04 experiment right out of, like, what, like 20 not even 20 people, 24 people. So, you know, 1% of the population represented by a factor of like, like, five there. Yeah. So, all right. So anyway, that is the more you know I need to have, like, a more, you know, roof hole animation that I can play. But, yeah, let's take a look at hyper, chatty type stuff. Sure. Let's see here. We'll go to let me just make sure this is still working.
01:21:43 It is still working. I think. All right, let's go to entropy first, and we got optimistically, pessimistic says, I'll catch the replay. Guys, keep up the good work. Thank you. Appreciate that. Mike Hawk, 420 blazon, hey says I have so much hate in my heart for kikes, Negroes, we're on YouTube. Probably shouldn't the K word then, huh? Pajits, Beaners and gigaboos and now the wops. He says,
Rebecca Hargraves
01:22:17 so Mr. Mike Hawk came over from the Matt and blancho. He's like an OG and the hate in your heart thing is from the Matt and belong. I love it when people come from like the old times, because that tells me that they have gone on the same anti semitic trajectory that I have gone on. It makes me feel seen and understood, and I
Devon Stack
01:22:38 appreciate it the old times from the long, long ago. Yeah, all right, then we got a really generous dono from every single time, and they say, Thank you, Rebecca and Devon, I think you pushed me into acceptance after what you said last week. I had no idea that poor girl's father failed her like that. We managed to raise five kids, three girls and something like that is just incomprehensible to me. To the topic at hand, I've yet to see a Jew involved in honest psychology every single time. Guys, yeah, is he talking about Molly Tibbets? Well, the last string we did was the the DC sniper.
Rebecca Hargraves
01:23:29 So, right, didn't we, didn't I talk about Molly. I was talking about Molly pivots. But I think that that that might be what he was talking about.
Devon Stack
01:23:35 Okay, let's see. Let me reread that. I had no idea the the poor girl's father failed her like that. Oh, yeah, you're right, that it was what you were talking about. Lee. Wait, is it like the, the, the, because he got, he got a visit from, like, the, what is it called the DOJ has that organization, yeah.
Rebecca Hargraves
01:23:59 And then he did that fundraiser for illegal immigrants, and then talked about loving tacos
Devon Stack
01:24:05 or some, right? Yeah, every single time says, Yes, that is what he's talking about. All right? Well, thank you very much. That's a very that's a very generous donation. Thank you. Really appreciate it. You want to do some YouTube ones, sure.
Rebecca Hargraves
01:24:20 All right, let me reload this actually. Put me on the spot like that. I'm just missing my cues. I'm you're putting me on the flips.
Devon Stack
01:24:30 What we need is, like a button I can push. That zaps you. Yeah.
Rebecca Hargraves
01:24:34 Like, like the Milgram experiment. Righteous muffin said a big donut. Replay gang. I'll listen tomorrow. I'm sure it's going to be another great stream. Have you all listened to the first two episodes from martyr made about World War Two? He's done a good breakdown of World War One, leading the greatest man. Wondering your thoughts. Hope you all have a great night. I have it.
Devon Stack
01:24:50 I'm gonna put this in my I think he's a bitch, and he blocked me on Twitter. Oh, really, yeah, he was a total fucking bitch. He went bitch modal on me twice. And the second time he blocked me because I made him look like a bitch, because he was being a bitch.
Rebecca Hargraves
01:25:05 Well, then I guess I, despite this large donation, I guess I won't watch this because I can't, I can't give somebody views that has thrown shade at our precious Devon. Well, Hugh martyr made,
Devon Stack
01:25:18 well, it's funny because it I, what I said was, it wasn't, I wasn't. I wasn't like all you're a Jew, or I was, it was nothing like that. I don't remember exactly even what the topic was. I remember thinking to myself, Wow, you're a bitch when he blocked me, though I'd have to go and back and look at it, because I basically just called him out, like he said something like, total fucking post mode. And I responded in, you know, maybe it might have been cutting, but it wasn't like cutting, like, like calling, you know. It wasn't like, you know, ad hominem or something like that. It was just, you know, I was just pointing out the that he had bitch tits and he he cried like a bitch with bitch tits.
Rebecca Hargraves
01:25:56 So righteous, muffin, do you want your money back? I'm sorry. JK, can't have it. We love you. Thank you for the donut. Romega. Devon, have you seen the movie Queen of the deuce?
Devon Stack
01:26:10 No, I have not. That sounds like it's about poo. Is that the same thing is two girls in a cup, because I've also never seen that. I've managed to go my whole life without seeing that. I'm not going
Rebecca Hargraves
01:26:27 to see it. I have seen it. I don't even want to tell you, Okay, Queen of the deuce tells a fascinating story. Of, ah, I lost it. I lost it. Of Shelly Wilson, trailblazing entrepreneur and unconventional matriarch who built an empire based on dot, dot, dot, dot. Yeah, I can't pull this up without getting like a million pop ups, crime ridden Times Square, 42nd Street area. Jewish lady, let's see. No, I have not seen this.
Devon Stack
01:27:10 A movie about a Jewish lady. Count me in wait. No, no.
Rebecca Hargraves
01:27:14 She worked for a time as a cashier in Tivoli, one of Wilson's 42nd 42nd street cinemas. Who is? Who is this? Rachel, Sarah person? No, no, it's not actually about a Jewish lady. Oh no, it is. She's Jewish. Yeah. So a Jewish lady involved in porn, in Times Square and crime. Well, now I am kind of interested.
Devon Stack
01:27:43 Okay, I thought I was like, strong, powerful Jewish lady, but now, but now,
Rebecca Hargraves
01:27:46 if it's like it might be, it's HBO series. Oh no, no, that's, that's the deuce. Okay, I fucked up everything I tried to say about this movie. This is what happens when you do things live. I kind of want to watch this now maybe I'll check okay, thank you for that. Destined to be different. I remember seeing the movie when I was younger, and until now, I thought it was a fictional story. I assume you mean the Stanford Prison experiments, yeah, the 2015 movie, yeah, yep. Well, it is basically a fictional story, so you can thank your younger self. Have you noticed that as you get older, that sometimes your like, initial intuition about something was right?
Devon Stack
01:28:31 Yeah, yeah. I would, I would say,
Rebecca Hargraves
01:28:34 you kind of just end up back there, right?
Devon Stack
01:28:36 Yeah. I mean, I was, I was a racist kid, so that's good. And then I intellectualized myself out of it, and I became racist again.
Rebecca Hargraves
01:28:45 Yeah, you're right, dude, yeah, because, because of inner city bussing. I've talked about this so many times too, but maybe it's a new audience here that I'm that I'm breaching, but I dealt with inner city bussing. And from the kids came in from, I think, Ferguson, like North St Louis, or it was some gross ass area they were all discussing. And I remember being in like, third grade or something, and being like, these kids are fucking gross and they're dumb and they can't read and they smell, and then I had to, kind of, I just kind of was like, I'm racist now. I'm like, right back to where I was in the third grade. It's amazing how that works. Trust your younger self. Arch Stanton says, are you familiar with the case of Billy chimir, the African serial killer who murdered 22 elderly women who were white? The story takes some interesting turns. Thought it might be stream worthy that is going in the notes. Thank you. Thank you so much.
Devon Stack
01:29:35 We really appreciate it. Well, I've done one on a black serial killer that killed lots of elderly white women. But this might just be another one. I forget the name of that guy, though. Let's let I'll tell you what was the name again. I'll look
Rebecca Hargraves
01:29:48 it up. Billy Shamir, mirror that's made up. Billy Jim bobadu, it's. I'm serious. How do you spell chimir, C, H, E, M, I R, M, I R, Shamir, mirror. How would you say it? I don't know. Not that way. How would you say it? Then, is this the guy? I did it on shamimi, boo, boo.
Devon Stack
01:30:21 I don't know. Man, they all look the same to me. I actually don't know. I'll look it's possible. I don't think this is the one I did it on. I think this is a different black serial killer. There's so many of them.
Rebecca Hargraves
01:30:35 Wow, wow. Padre speaks. We'll have to listen later. Loving the new show. Episode, topic idea. Jean Claude, Roman imposter and spree killer who pretended to be a doctor for the World Health Organization for 18 years. Man, you guys are on it. Let me drop this in the notes really quick. Thank you so much. If I don't do it now, I will forget topic ideas. There we go. I love having this big vault of topic ideas, wheel, gun, nationalist, soft catch the show on the RE watch. Keep up the work. You beautiful people.
01:31:08 Thank you so much. I really appreciate it. Vulcan Phoenix, people are saying Trump is planning an invasion of Cuba. We'll see about that. But I wasn't supposed to read that, because we're $10 and up on the Wednesday show. Thank you for that. Altered air says, Hey, Biddy, hey, Dev, hey, hey. Let me reload. I think I'm good over here for a second. Oh, wait, no, I got a few more cabaldo talks, says, Devon, remember the churro t shirt with the no bueno sign on it? I would like to buy one as a gift for my cousin, but it's not available anymore. We love your stream, Devon.
Devon Stack
01:31:40 Well, I'll tell you what is available. Though. You can get the ketamine shirt. That is a shirt now that has, yeah, that has spaced out churro on it. You want to see what looks like, yeah. So I got the photo of churro post vet, when he was looking, well, like a like, like he was on cat, he was on he was literally on ketamine. And I made this, let's see here. How do I pop this up in an easy way? I'll do this. See here. That was not as easy as I thought. Okay, I'm used to the insomnia stream. The way I've got it set up is totally Oh, here we go. This will work. That is so amazing. I'll make it big. See his Psycho face.
Rebecca Hargraves
01:32:37 So that's great. I'm gonna buy one so you guys can get that right now. Okay, I think we're good over here for a little that. It's adorable. All right,
Devon Stack
01:32:48 let's see here. We'll go back to entry real quick just to see if there's any new ones. We got love and a vision says, check your Odyssey. So I'll go to Odyssey and loving division on Odyssey says, even before I got J pilled, every time I heard the line about a whole nation of normal German people coming under a spell, I had to question it. It just sounded like bullshit, but I didn't know why at the time Exactly, exactly, I'll tell you what. I think it was bullshit for a while, because I was, I think I had the History Channel was blaring nonsense into my house so often, and it was basically the History Channel just exists to tell you that the Nazis are bad, and so true.
01:33:37 I just watched it going like, man, what? What's wrong with these guys? Like these Germans are fucking weird. And then, of course, I played Wolf and Stein, which was like, about killing fucking Nazis. And like, every video game, yeah, it was, like, every video game that was good was about killing Nazis, and every movie was about killing Nazis. And both my grandpas were in World War Two killing Nazis. I presume, actually, they were in the in the Pacific. Well, my one of them was in Africa.
01:34:04 So if he was killing Nazis, he was killing, like those black Nazis that you, that you see the picture of every once in a while, and and then the other one was in the Pacific. So he was, he was killing zipper heads. So little different. But, yeah, you're just, you're just, I was just like, man, Germans are just different. I guess they're just really, and let's face it, for English, if you don't know German, you watch a clip of Hitler, he just sounds like a psychopath. Because, like you that language just makes anyone sound like a psychopath.
01:34:38 And he's yelling because, you know, back then, PA systems didn't work very good, and so he's trying to be heard. And, you know, his mustache is really kind of, you know, different, although I'm sure if it wasn't for Hitler, people would have that mustache all the time. Now, he ruined it for everybody, I guess. But we should bring it back. We should bring it back and. I'm not even joking. Like that would be, that's when you know that the Hitler spell is over. Like that, the Jewish Hitler, when people start naming their kid aid off again, and people start having the mustache,
Rebecca Hargraves
01:35:11 because when club regular has the Hitler mustache, that's, yeah,
Devon Stack
01:35:14 well, not he doesn't count. Like, it had to be like, it has to be like, the like, you know, like a, like, a Normie, like the most Normie down the street, yeah? Like, you'd have to see, like, your, your FedEx guy has the Hitler mustache, you know, or something like that. But, but, yeah, like, I was, I was just under the impression that that was one of the things I got wrong as a as a young child, was like, Oh, those Germans are just mad all the time. But, uh, thank you there, love and division. Want me to go to rumble? Or you got a any more there?
Rebecca Hargraves
01:35:55 Go ahead and go to rumble. I've got a few more
Devon Stack
01:35:56 coming in rumble. We got real Starfish Prime says, have a great show. Appreciate that. Thank you. And then we got a risen Ryan says, blonde is bae. Dave on, be gay. Oh, I see what he did there. Call me. I'm not gay. Oh, gay, your mom. All right, then we got the supreme rabbi. Satan says, I better not catch any of you racist Singing Happy 130/7 birthday on Monday. Remember Satan won the war in 1945 Hitler would be 137 huh? That's crazy.
Rebecca Hargraves
01:36:43 It's really, really old, yeah, we might have been able to keep him alive, although that's 15 years in. The oldest person that has ever lived, who was a French woman, by the way,
Devon Stack
01:36:53 yeah, alright, then we got Frankfurt says 1000s of bees swarmed parts of Israel today, caused an emergency. Are bees watching your streams now? Is Devon breeding based bees? Now, I'll tell you one thing, it would not hurt my feelings, and they would do so well in Israel. If someone just brought a bunch of Africanized bees to Israel, that'd be the funniest shit ever, because they would never get rid of them, and because it would be the it's the perfect climate for them, and it would, it would totally fuck up their whole ecosystem. It would be like eco warfare. It would be like the because you don't get rid of them. And I'm not saying that I'm planning on doing that, but I certainly would have the ability to do that,
Rebecca Hargraves
01:37:43 as what Devon has actually been doing is using his radio frequencies. He doesn't even care about ham radio, but he's just been training Nazi bees. It's true, to send them over to
Devon Stack
01:37:54 I'm directing them to Israel and turning them crazy. No, but seriously, like if, if that, if that happened, that'd be so funny. It'd be hilarious because there are, there are, collide, right? It, no, it would be like, that is, they would be the perfect environment for them. They would love it there, and Jews would hate it, right? So then we got, let's see here. Scroll, scroll, scroll. We got plebeian 88 says, great content. Never stop naming the Jews. Oh, no, we will never stop doing that. That's for sure. We got scroll, scroll, scroll, scroll.
01:38:34 Ned digger says, Hey, Devon replay gang from the anti podes here I watched your Mr. Sin episode recently. Did you ever watch the episode of Gordon Ramsay's Kitchen Nightmares starring the retarded saffron sun? No, I know who you're talking about, though I didn't even I wish I'd known about that episode, because he is in that stream I knew about, like the Bitcoin scamming he was doing. But the Yeah, I haven't seen I hadn't seen that episode till right after the stream, someone brought it up, and I was like, Oh, damn it, that would have been more.
Rebecca Hargraves
01:39:12 Daniel was frequently involved in conflicts with his parents, who mismanaged his inheritance. Took over the restaurant. It closed in 2012 famously disastrous. I've never seen this.
Devon Stack
01:39:23 Mr. Sin was like this Jew that went to Australia and was just a total Jew, like, he started prostitution in Australia.
Rebecca Hargraves
01:39:33 Oh, yeah. I watched the stream, yeah.
Devon Stack
01:39:34 I started gambling. Burned a bunch of kids alive because, you know,
Rebecca Hargraves
01:39:38 oh, that was a horrible stream. I couldn't sleep after I listen to that, yeah,
Devon Stack
01:39:43 yeah, weird. No matter where they are, right? It's yeah, the behavior seems to be the same. Then we got natural order. Paul says Your show is mentioned in the book of or the book Secret Hitler coming out on 420 love the string.
Rebecca Hargraves
01:40:00 I really, I bet he I bet it's black. I bet it's in song history. I can't imagine this is mentioned.
Devon Stack
01:40:07 Well, maybe, who knows that's so cool, by the way, Book Two is in final edits right now. It's all the way, all the way done, and just getting some final little edits done to it. And once that's done, maybe our good friends at Antelope Hill will want to make that ready for make that available as as well book one, so we'll have that to look forward to. I finally had some time to like get it in the done position, well, except for, like I said, so minor edits are being done, and so it's, you know, it's not a fictional thing that I have book two coming. It's very, very, very much around the corner, awaiting release.
Rebecca Hargraves
01:40:57 Your work process is, I don't even, it's like, it's like, your manic? I'm well because I am. No, he messages me at like, 3am on telegram. We we got merch coming out. I finished my book. I did all this. I did all this other shit. I'm like, when did you working on it for like, three days straight, yeah?
Devon Stack
01:41:22 Well, once you that's the thing, you get in the zone. Yeah. The problem is, especially with writing, like, if I'm always preparing for streams, it takes me out of the zone, yeah? And honestly, all it took was me not having to do my stream last Saturday, and I actually there was something I was gonna have to do that ended up getting canceled. And I was like, well, I could stream or I could finish the book, yeah, and I finished the book. No, that's really
Rebecca Hargraves
01:41:49 important, that that's something about the creative process, like, if you've got to ride the wave, basically, no matter what, because you don't know if your creativity is just going to dry up for like a year if you don't do it right
Devon Stack
01:42:00 then Right, right. So look forward to that. It's, it's, uh, I'm so excited. It's pretty good. And I've already started a little bit outlining book three, so that'll be that one won't take as long to come out. So all right, then we got Team White says FYI Devon, I learned today that the school of the West homeschool program founder shares the historic vids you have made. Well, that's pretty cool. That's so cool. I've thought about doing like, less sweary content for homeschool stuff, you know, like doing, like, some historical videos.
01:42:47 I don't know it might even be like a cool thing to do, like, like, do like polished, you know, pay for curriculum style documentaries for homeschooled kids, because that is going to be a problem. You need to teach this history to kids in a way that's not just a boring book. And having the format that it's going to soak in a little bit better might be especially now that AI is getting so much better that doing like a like that used to feel like, Oh, that'd be so hard. Well, you know, I'd have to have so much B roll, and I'd have to have, you know, all these illustrations, and maybe access to, like, you know, narrators. That's the kind of content that'll that AI will enable. You'll be able to make historic I mean, fuck will pretty soon they'll make historic fiction. You'll be able to make like, like, the patriot, only 10 times more violent, and none of the goofy black slaves, yeah, yeah. Like, oh, look, here's, here's the black slave that's gonna fight for the America. And then they go to that, that black Island. Was last time you seen Have you watched it recently
Rebecca Hargraves
01:44:04 been, like, seven years?
Devon Stack
01:44:08 I think it's so terrible. Like, I Well, there's things I love about it. Mel Gibson, well, the part where he's, like, telling his kids to blast the British. And he's just like, you know, while you're while your brothers shooting them, you reload for him, you know. And it's like that, that whole conversation that he has with him, when what he's like in kill mode at the very beginning the movie, I love, I love that don't love when they go to an island run by black people that didn't exist
Rebecca Hargraves
01:44:38 to hide from such a soft spot for Mel Gibson. Though the best I was wearing my Mel Gibson shirt the other day, and a lady in my bar class comes up to me, and she looks around and she goes, I love Mel Gibson. My it's like cardio Pilates,
Devon Stack
01:44:58 like pole dancing, like what?
Rebecca Hargraves
01:45:01 It's like ballet, like cardio ballet.
Devon Stack
01:45:03 Oh, like, Okay, sounds gay. All right. Then we got cage mission. Jaro says everyone should read my comp at least once.
Rebecca Hargraves
01:45:15 I would say, see my tweet about the misspelling of the, I believe it's the Murphy translation on the on the cover of it, it says a by Adolf Hilter on the cover. On the cover, yeah, which one's the Murphy translation? Is that? Anyone that that's the one? So don't, don't get the Murphy trans. I don't know how that got out of editing. Like, what a massive fuck up.
Devon Stack
01:45:40 I think I read the Ford translation.
Rebecca Hargraves
01:45:44 Yeah, that seems to be the one people my comments said to get
Devon Stack
01:45:47 you know what? Though I'm almost positive the reason I read that one is I think Dennis Prager recommended the Ford. I am not even kidding, what? I think he said something because he was, he was taught. I think it was in response to some politician, some Republican this was years and years ago, some Republican politician had, and it wasn't, this is pre Trump had, had said something about, like, how Hitler, like, he had read Mein Kampf and, like, of course, like, Lefty Jews were going ape shit, and Dennis Prager was like, I've read my comp too. Does that make me an anti Semite brother? And then, like, he mentioned the four translation being the most accurate. And I was like, oh. And then I think I got, I got the got it the next week and read it. Read it a couple times since then, but I don't know which
Rebecca Hargraves
01:46:37 one's the best one. It was the James Murphy translation. And then people are saying the Stalag edition is the only English translation distributed by the party itself. And then the people said the Dalton translation is the best one.
Devon Stack
01:46:51 All right. Well, we gotta you know you're I'll tell you what patriot 98 you're under the limit, but I'll do it anyway, because it is a bee question. He said, Hi, Devon. I live in Jackson, Wyoming. I want to get bees. When do you think I should buy them? And do you know any good places to get them? Well, you live in a completely different like you're way up north. So I would, I would ask a local beekeeper, because I don't know what I don't know. Like, my bees are, they're, they're almost already done for the year. Like, our springs almost already over. So, yeah, like, they've been eating good, like, it's, it's, it's gonna start winding down really soon and start just being hot as balls all day long, like, pretty soon. So I don't know what it's. I'm assuming Why, it's probably still too cold for bees in Wyoming right now. So I would,
Rebecca Hargraves
01:47:47 oh yeah, it's, it's gonna freeze tonight here, yeah.
Devon Stack
01:47:50 So I would, I would, I would find a local beekeeper. And because there's you're gonna want to even, probably different breeds of bees than what I like would have.
Rebecca Hargraves
01:47:59 So I don't know. Here they'll, they send, they sell the entire kit at Tractor Supply and at North 40.
Devon Stack
01:48:07 Well, I would go to a local beekeeper before I'd go to Tractor Supply, which is run by Jews, by the way, what you know that?
Rebecca Hargraves
01:48:17 I think my friend James might have told
Devon Stack
01:48:19 me this, yeah, tractor supplies run by like Maga Jews, like total Zionists.
Rebecca Hargraves
01:48:25 Not that I ever really go to Tractor Supply. So this is like,
Devon Stack
01:48:29 I'm almost positive I think it's like, they're like, they're basically like, balls deep, like the Home Depot Jew. So anyway, then we got cage motion. Jaro says I got the daily Stormer version. Not sure which one that is. Yeah, I'm not sure which one that would be either. I didn't know they had a version. All right. Well, we'll double check on entropy one last time. Think we're good though. We got beach. Boy says, I'm looking forward to my leather bound day of the rope signed trilogy in 2055 it won't be that. It won't be that long.
Rebecca Hargraves
01:49:11 The man's got a process,
Devon Stack
01:49:12 okay, it's, you know, either I'm, I'm always, I'm always full blast into something. It's just not always my book.
Rebecca Hargraves
01:49:24 He does always come through. Yes, sometimes I think the stream is not going to happen. And then in the final hour, suddenly all of his parts in the outline are populated.
Devon Stack
01:49:35 There's like a flurry of activity.
Rebecca Hargraves
01:49:37 Yeah, I have one over here. You got an entropy?
Devon Stack
01:49:43 Yeah, that was the only one on entropy.
Rebecca Hargraves
01:49:46 Oil. King says, oil. Kings back, Gaga, Gaga, tooted. The score is one, one. We'll see how this plays out. Is there some sort of game going on? I don't know what this means. I don't know either. I. Thank you so much. We really appreciate it. I think I'm good over here. You good everywhere?
Devon Stack
01:50:05 I think so double check on rumble one last time. I think we're good. All right, let's
Rebecca Hargraves
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01:51:18 It is on Thursdays at noon, Pacific, Standard Time, we will be there tomorrow. You know, last week during the show, my power went out on my entire block. That's pretty awesome. It was a nightmare. I was, like, really in the show. It was, I was totally in flow. Everything was going great, and then I just lose power, yep. And I couldn't close the stream, so I had to, like, get on using a hot spot on my phone, and it was just a fucking nightmare. So next tomorrow, I don't anticipate having any problems. I shouldn't even say that, but check me out there. I am Rebecca Hargraves blonde in the belly of the beast on YouTube. All right. Well, there
Devon Stack
01:51:55 you go. And I'll just say, yeah, if you need to get a copy of my cough, I'm sure analog pills got that. So we were just talking about that.
Rebecca Hargraves
01:52:02 So, oh, one just came in on rumble, though. Jafek says, I literally just became a dad. Congratulations. I'm so pleased to hear that. Congratulations. Oh, we
Devon Stack
01:52:13 got another one. Rumble too. Nerd 158, says, Devon, have you ever heard of tabernace? Music? Tabernas, I have not heard of that. I have a feeling you may enjoy them. Well, I might check that out then nerd 158, alright guys. Well, other than that, just check out the insomnia stream on Saturdays at 10 o'clock Pacific Time, and obviously every Wednesday at 5pm Pacific time for outlaws, same bat time. Well, not different Well, different bat time, same bat channel. In the meantime, everyone, have a good rest of your week for outlaws. I am Devon Stack
Rebecca Hargraves
01:53:00 and I'm Rebecca Hargraves, and We will see you next Wednesday, bye, bye, bye,